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To: bcsco

***It doesn’t matter who said it.***

Actually, it does, and the context in which they said matters arguably more.

***The point is, the Gospel stands on its own.***

Actually, it doesn’t. Jesus quite clearly states that He has left us His Church and the Holy Spirit. If the Gospel was complete in and of itself, there would not be these supplements, as it were.

***If one puts their faith in the Gospel because the Catholic Church moved them to do so, then I fear their faith isn’t whole.***

Fear away. It is a common theme of the Doctors and Fathers of the Church which have given the Faith to us all.

***Faith comes through the Gospel of our Lord; not through a church.***

Wait a minute. I thought that the Bible Believers (tm) teach that faith comes from God directly. Who said that the Protestant faith comes through the Gospel?


122 posted on 07/23/2009 7:12:55 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Jesus quite clearly states that He has left us His Church and the Holy Spirit. If the Gospel was complete in and of itself, there would not be these supplements, as it were.

Christ didn't "leave" us the Holy Spirit. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one in Trinity. The Gospel is complete. It is God's Word given to us. He left us His Church to gather in fellowship and worship His name. It is where we congregate together in worship and sustain one another in His fellowship. It is NOT a supplement.

It is a common theme of the Doctors and Fathers of the Church which have given the Faith to us all.

Not sure what you're stating here, but if it's that the "Doctors and Fathers" of the Church give us our faith you're sadly mistaken. Our faith comes through the Holy Spirit working in us. It cannot be given by man, nor can we attain it ourselves. God through his Holy Spirit must work in us.

Wait a minute. I thought that the Bible Believers (tm) teach that faith comes from God directly. Who said that the Protestant faith comes through the Gospel?

You're trying to be cute. It doesn't wash. What I was saying was that faith does not evolve through the Church but evolves through the Gospel, which acts on us by the Holy Spirit. The Church is a vehicle which assists our Christian life and helps sustain our belief. But from the Holy Spirit acting within us to read the Gospel of our Lord, our coming to love and worship Him and accept Him as our Savior, and our interaction with other Christian through the fellowship of the Church, we sustain our faith and continue to walk with Him. The Gospel is the inerrant Word of God. Whole and all we need outside of the fellowship the Church provides. But, the Church is also man's, and man is errant. We must always be alert to the chance that the Church itself errs from God's Holy promise.

129 posted on 07/24/2009 5:57:34 AM PDT by bcsco (When Obama mentioned shovel ready jobs, I never thought he might be thinking of graves.)
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