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To: bdeaner

“If there is no purgatory, per Orthodox doctrine, there is no reason to pray for the dead. They would be in Hell without possibility of redemption, or in Heaven, without need of redemption. Praying for the dead implies the doctrine of purgatory, it seems to me, whether or not one rejects the term.”

No so. After the “Particular Judgment”, the soul remains in the “Place of the Dead” or “Hades” or the “Bosom of Abraham”; in any event, the soul rests, we hope,”...in a place of light, in a place of green pasture, in a place of refreshment, from where pain and sorrow and mourning are fled away.” until the Last Jugment. And in the end, b, it is only by God’s mercy that any join the sheep.


307 posted on 07/22/2009 2:24:22 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
No so. After the “Particular Judgment”, the soul remains in the “Place of the Dead” or “Hades” or the “Bosom of Abraham”; in any event, the soul rests, we hope,”...in a place of light, in a place of green pasture, in a place of refreshment, from where pain and sorrow and mourning are fled away.” until the Last Jugment. And in the end, b, it is only by God’s mercy that any join the sheep.

Wow, that sure seems like hair-splitting to me. The process of pain and sorrow and mourning being 'fled away' doesn't seem to necessarily conflict with purgatory -- a purification by which temporal consequences of sin -- pain, sorrow, mourning, etc. -- are also 'fled away,' in a certain sense, through purgation.
309 posted on 07/22/2009 2:38:19 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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