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Another fallacious argument lacking logical validity.

Like I keep telling you guys, God did not reveal his Spiritual Truth to anyone thru logic; philosophy...

Your story about Mary is based on your logic...That is NOT how God reveals His Truth...

The rejection of reason is based on an absence of faith -- a lack of faith in the unquestionable fact that our God-given gift of reason was not supplied to us in vain, but can and does lead us to the Truth, when understood in conjunction with the faith we are supplied with through grace. A person's renunciation of logic and reason is sufficient evidence for the wise person to read no further whatever that person has to say.

Nevertheless, irregardless of your personal renunciation of logic and reason, to the extent you choose to reply to my comments, I will continue to point out any logical fallacies that plague your words; and so far, they have been legion. Others who are are reading along--others who, unlike you, value logic and reason--may not notice the fallacious nature of your self-endorsed illogical style of argumentation. So I will gladly point it out, to the extent you continue to exhibit it.

In closing: True faith implies reason. Reason implies faith.

As I read about early church history, it is painfully obvious that many ‘church fathers’ would be better described as ‘barely converted pagan philosophers’.

Instead of building the church and caring for the flock, they debated a bunch of garbage using human logic. And human logic cannot grasp God. It is sinful to try.

In a sense, I don’t give a rat’s rear end if Mary was sinless - I’M not, and no one else I’ve met is. And no number of Hail Marys will change that!

But scripture is clear that all save Jesus have sinned, and the real issue here is if a man (the Pope) or a council of men can make stuff up and place it higher than Scripture. And THAT offends me.