Posted on 07/15/2009 9:06:00 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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On this I agree.
Joseph Smith and Kolob — paving the way for L.Ron Hubbard and Galactic Overlord Xenu!
Have to admit you post some of the most interesting stuff. Glad you allow an open discussion. Always thought provoking and that is a good thing
I’m glad you approve.
Where are they looking for them this year, South America or the Middle East?
I hope they find them one day, and hopefully on this planet to keep travel costs down.
I understand they are “un-real”
Terrific article. I speak as a fan of O. S. Card.
It is an ongoing reproach to Biblical Christians that the most well-known writer in this genre who honors the name of Jesus Christ in his fiction, and portrays Christians as people of substance and worth, is a cultist. God will not be without a witness. He will even prosper, and bless, a Mormon who confesses Christ before men.
I wish Card well, even as I repudiate his LDS faith.
Be patient. There are informative articles going up daily as caucuses...I'm sure your questions will be answered soon!
You won't be allowed to ask questions...I think it's under the "Pay, pray and obey" clause of the mormon creed, entitled "when the leaders speak, the thinking has been done"...(also the exploring).
Oh I don’t know, I think J.R.R. Tolkien or C. S. Lewis might be just ever so slightly better known than O.S. Card. Even the LaHaye series ( and I am no fan) probably is better known than Card.
Perhaps the difference in genres might be noted here...hard Science Fiction vs. Fantasy.
Mormons are perfectly happy to give you a copy of the Book of Mormon when they come to your house. Just try to get a copy of Doctrines and Covenants out of them. I had to get THAT on eBay.
BTW, I’m off the visiting list - last time they came, I kept seizing the conversation back and explaining that the Catholic Church teaches something very different, and here’s the scriptural evidence. It’s been about five years since their last stop at our house.
The LaHaye perspective, which is willing to discard the future, probably accounts for our poor performance in this genre. See this article, Futures for Sale.
The D&C has too many things in it that are considered "meat"...and new contacts are only served the "milk".
Lewis’s Space Trilogy is hard science fiction by any definition. Tolkien probably fits the fantasy version but LaHaye is straight fiction. And none of that addresses the point
His is a ‘ rapture’ kind of guy. That colors his writing ( as I would expect) But note that your sited source was written in 2006 and The End series continues to sell very well. Animal Farm, The Lord of the Flies, Catcher in the Rye there is fiction that does not have a happy ending by any stretch of the imagination. Farenheight 451 has a bit of hope as does War of the Worlds but face it a lot of fiction ( science and other wise) is just plain morose.
I only mentioned that "perhaps" the difference in genres might have some influence on readership.
But they're not wrapped in the holy Mormon vestiges of pseudo intellectualism, out there apologizing for the possible misunderstandings and lack of genius of all the misguided apostates like Rackham and greyfoxx39.
I'd been doing research into the Church of the First Born at the time and about fell through my airplane seat while reading it on the way back because that's what Smith called his Mormon movement ~ at least up until 1836 when there were mutual recriminations, mutual excommunication, and a serious parting of the ways.
After that the COTFB terminology kind of falls away from public documents generated in Mormon circles, but occasionally it's used by groups like the Morrisites or assorted criminals. Even David Koresh' grandmother was a member of the COTFB (see: Waco).
All of which is neither here nor there, and may have nothing whatsoever to do with modern Mormonism, but I'd tracked some COTFB ancestors from Rhode Island to the Western settlements in New York in the post Revolution/War of 1812 period, and knew they'd formed their church sometime in the early 1700s, so what was Joseph Smith doing using their name.
Amazingly there's really little to be known. This was an overwhelmingly illiterate community of poor people living in a rugged frontier, so widespread ignorance was not surprising at all.
As a source document on the COTFB the Doctrines and Covenants is pretty good. Haven't found any of the references in error with respect to the timelines of the people involved in the early movement although the religious points made are a tad obscure unless you accept there was a For Real COTFB congregation outside the Mormon movement that existed somewhere in Smith's social environment.
The COTFB has an entertaining record regarding divorce ~ a couple marries, has a kid, then divorces. A large group of them in Brown County Indiana composed of 50 core families had 250 divorces in a 50 year period. Most of the members of that congregation relocated to the Kenai Peninsula, North Pole, or Tanana Valley back in the 1920s and 1930s. Any Mormons reading this should beware of confounding the COTFB they might encounter in Nevada or Alaska with later orders within the LDS (and about which I know next to nothing). They are NOT the same!
Glad to see that O.S.Card is true to his faith, one fiction writer following another. If you consider the Moon Men, Beings living on the Sun and kolob.. then its even Sci-Fi...bad sci fi at that.
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