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To: Dmitry Vukicevich

“Yes very illuminating that you beleive that the only way to heaven is through the “Catholic Church” you have more faith in your religion than you do in Christ.”

It seems that you didn’t read even the first few paragraphs of the root article. The second sentence of the first article is, “But if he does not realize this obligation, is true to his conscience, even though it be erroneous, and dies repenting of any violations of his conscience, he will get to Heaven.”

Why, then, do you insist that we Catholics believe something when you have just read an entirely different proposition?

“Tell me what I had wrong”

Pretty much everything.

“do you pray to Mary?”

No, I ask her to pray for me, just like you (I presume) ask other people to pray for you. Even if you believe that she cannot hear me asking, it’s still nothing more than one creature asking another to pray for him to the Lord our God.

“Do you beleive the pope is infalliable?”

In all circumstances? Of course not. I often disagreed with the late John Paul II, and suspect that I may be in disagreement with Benedict XVI on a topic or two. Catholics only believe that the Holy Father’s pronouncements are infallible when he is speaking ex cathedra on matters of faith and morals. Those are extremely limited and narrowly circumscribed circumstances. If you intend to continue beating the Church with that stick, I would suggest that you read up on it, so that you can craft your arguments more skillfully. www.newadvent.org/cathen/01640c.htm

“Do you beleive the Catholic Church is the only way to heaven?”

The second sentence of the root article is, “But if he does not realize this obligation, is true to his conscience, even though it be erroneous, and dies repenting of any violations of his conscience, he will get to Heaven. In such a case, it would not have been his fault that he was a non-Catholic and God makes every allowance for good faith.” Further down we find, “As long as you believe the Catholic Church to be wrong, you are obliged not to join it.”

Moving on, we see, “545. You said that a Protestant in good faith could be saved. Does not that admit that his religion is sufficiently true?” Did you miss this?

Since the root article specifically and repeatedly avers that men can attain heaven without being members of the Catholic Church, why are you even asking these questions?

“If your answers are yes”

Why would they be? We Catholics don’t believe those things. Where did you get the idea that we do, and why are you so resistant to learning the truth of the matter?

“…then you have more explaining to do than I ever will.”

I will probably have more explaining to do, but not because I believe the things that you mistakenly think Catholics believe.

Now, see, we have started on our journey:

Non-Catholic: “You Catholics believe X.”
Catholic: “No, we believe y.”
Non-Catholic: “Nonsense. You Catholics believe X.”
Catholic: “No, we believe y.”
Non-Catholic: “Nonsense. You Catholics believe X.”
Catholic: “No, we believe y.”


89 posted on 07/11/2009 10:47:52 PM PDT by dsc (Only dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: dsc

Only dead fish go with the flow. And only fighters quit.


93 posted on 07/12/2009 12:16:15 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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