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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; xzins
IMO this is no innocuous document about helping the poor. It is a shot across the bow aimed at America's sovereignty and her status as world leader

That's right, these "leaders" are re-making the world and making no bones about it. None of them care a gnat's whisker about "the poor in africa", why right now, China is gleefully raping Africa for it's minerals, land and human labor, and nothing is done about it, they've just picked up where previous nations left off.

The world's poor, and soon to be, all of us, are destined to be manageable cattle, that's what the elites think of you. It's the same story of Pharaoh, Egypt and the Israelites. You can leave spiritually.

Globalization is against God, He put the nations in their places, set their boundaries, and that is how the world was meant to be.

122 posted on 07/14/2009 8:59:11 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

That’s right, these “leaders” are re-making the world and making no bones about it. None of them care a gnat’s whisker about “the poor in africa”, why right now, China is gleefully raping Africa for it’s minerals, land and human labor, and nothing is done about it, they’ve just picked up where previous nations left off.

The world’s poor, and soon to be, all of us, are destined to be manageable cattle, that’s what the elites think of you. It’s the same story of Pharaoh, Egypt and the Israelites. You can leave spiritually.

Globalization is against God,

= = =

WELL PUT.

THX.


124 posted on 07/14/2009 9:11:13 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: betty boop; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings
Back at post 56, I tried to head off what I thought would be the likely contention that would result from discussing Pope Benedict's latest encyclical between the opposing views of Catholicism and Protestantism.

I shall try again.

There are a variety of "lenses" any man might use in evaluating a thing.

In ethics for instance, he might use consequentialism (the end justifies the means), virtue ethics (all men are good), ethical relativism, natural law and so on.

If he is a one lens kind of guy like Peter Singer, he would justify to himself infanticide, euthanasia and a great many other evils if done for a greater good.

But the wise judge is rational; he does not use just one lens but several in considering a matter. And the wisest judge always considers a matter in light of that which does not change.

The Catholic lens - and the author of the encyclical is of course Catholic - is universal per se. So, of course, that lens is global in everything from theology to economics to governance.

The Protestant lens - and the founding fathers were educated through that lens (New England Primer) - is anti-universal per se. And so, of course, that lens would reject globalism in everything from theology to economics to governance.

These two lenses are polar opposites.

And even in normal theological disputes we see the contention that arises when one side or the other does not consider a matter through both lenses, one insisting on a global theological authority and the other rejecting such authority just as stridently.

And some Christians have additional lenses or a more focused lens. For instance, the apocalyptic lens sees every current event, including this encyclical, in light of Biblical prophecy. And that lens might be further focused by an interpretation of prophecy or a hope for or against the prophecy to be fulfilled at this time.

But at the root we are all Christian. We all agree to the standard that does not change: Who God IS, Who Jesus IS.

Therefore I aver that we should each present what we see through all the lenses we use, acknowledging but not berating the other Christian for what he sees through his own lenses.

They are, after all, only lenses - the important part is that which does not change, God Himself.

125 posted on 07/14/2009 10:02:09 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 1000 silverlings; Quix; UriÂ’el-2012; Alex Murphy
None of them care a gnat's whisker about "the poor in africa", why right now, China is gleefully raping Africa for it's minerals, land and human labor, and nothing is done about it, they've just picked up where previous nations left off.

No kidding. It's all a dumb show. Africa is being depopulated by AIDS and who's paying attention? The new Mother Teresa, Angelina Jolie, shows up for a few photo ops and we're supposed to be impressed.

The world's poor, and soon to be, all of us, are destined to be manageable cattle, that's what the elites think of you. It's the same story of Pharaoh, Egypt and the Israelites. You can leave spiritually.

Bingo. Manageable cattle, kept in line by rabid dogs and Mad Cow disease.

Globalization is against God, He put the nations in their places, set their boundaries, and that is how the world was meant to be.

Succinct and accurate.

If any pattern should be overlaid on planet earth it is the Judeo-Christian template because it is the only world view which respects all men's right to life and liberty while acknowledging that man is fallen and our self-interest can and does corrupt our loftiest endeavors; thus a representative system of checks and balances is required.

If history has taught us anything it is that centralized power is always wrong.

"I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men, with a favorable presumption that they did not wrong. If there is any presumption it is the other way against holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority..."

Liberty is the prevention of control by others. This requires self-control and, therefore, religious and spiritual influences; education, knowledge, well-being." -- Lord Acton

Because we are instructed to be confident in His will which even today works all things for our benefit, we remain certain this, too, shall pass. Out of the ineptitude of Jimmy Carter came Reagan and the fall of the Soviets. Christ is presently bringing this world under His feet as His footstool. As God wills. Wise as serpents yet harmless as doves; praying without ceasing and rejoicing evermore.

129 posted on 07/14/2009 10:21:16 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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