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To: spirited irish; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; xzins; hosepipe; Frumanchu; P-Marlowe; ...
The presiding bishop said that view is “caricatured in some quarters by insisting that salvation depends on reciting a specific verbal formula about Jesus.”

Jeepers, spirited — who's the "caricaturist" here? Methinks it is Schiori. No Christian would ever say that the mere mindless recitation of any specific verbal formula can save. Jeepers, is this woman so ignorant she doesn't even know her own tradition? And yet "somebody" put her "in charge of it" anyway?

According to Schori, it is heresy to believe that an individual’s prayer can achieve a saving relationship with God. “That individualist focus is a form of idolatry, for it puts me and my words in the place that only God can occupy.”

What a bunch of specious, sophistical claptrap! God makes individuals. On purpose. So as to have a direct relationship with them. If anyone is putting the focus on the individual, it is God Himself. Are we now to regard every attempt to give effect to divine–human relations and communications (as in prayer, meditation, contemplation, spiritual living, "following Christ") as a "form of idolatry" — just because this mindless, de-spirited creep declares them to be so? If the Anglican community really believes this — that is, if Schiori genuinely speaks for them — then jeepers, we had better steer well clear of their churches if we want to become or remain faithful Christians.

Schiori's "prescriptions" envision the phenomenal, real-world manifestation of programmatic anti-Christianity, right down to the ground.

On the other hand, just because she's a nutcase herself, does that give her the right to insist that the rest of us be nutcases, too?

Sorry to use such uncouth (not to mention uncharitable) language. But really — enuf is enuf. Somebody has to speak out against this "stuff" — this poisonous pabulum — sooner, later, and hopefully often....

Wonderful article at the link, dear spirited irish! Thank you oh so very much!

106 posted on 07/13/2009 2:40:16 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop
"is this woman so ignorant she doesn't even know her own tradition? And yet "somebody" put her "in charge of it" anyway?" At the time of her election there were conservatives who voted for her. When asked why it is reported they said that it was better to end the long term ongoing trainwreck and get about the rebuilding and she would be the perfect engineer for the job. It appears they were right. This is the tip of the iceburg with her following many years of other outrages. She has chosen her path and has been isolated by the conservatives of other countries. ABC Williams asked her last week not to go where she has gone, she threatened him. The TEC train is about to go over the precipice, I am not laughing nor rejoicing, I weep. My family have been Anglican for centuries. One of them was the first ordained priest in MD. My ancestors were pillars of the Episcopal Church in VA and MD. Of my family now only one auntie adn my mother remain members. My auntie is a liberal and buys all this nonsense and my mother is heartbroken as she has seen her beloved church dispappear only to be replaced by this rot.
166 posted on 07/14/2009 12:23:25 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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