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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Alamo-Girl; xzins; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; wmfights; HarleyD; metmom; ..
But the bottom line through all the encyclical's verbiage and diversions is that the pope advocates putting control (and enforcement authority) of the U.S. economy in the hands of non-Americans. That is an astounding suggestion. If an American advocated this it could be construed as treasonous.

Good grief, Dr. E., I am simply astonished that you read Caritas in Veritate as being, in any sense, a "political document." Moreover, Pope Benedict didn't advocate any of the above things you impute to him. I diligently looked for evidence in the text that could support your allegations. I found: exactly nothing. Perhaps it's "there," but I simply missed it. If so, kindly do point it out to me?

Bottom line: "Love in Truth" is NOT primarily about "helping the poor" in some socialistic sense. What it IS about: the aching need for spiritual regeneration of persons and peoples worldwide. The very Creation itself is "groaning" under the weight of its absence.

My two cents' worth, FWIW.

105 posted on 07/13/2009 1:16:27 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop; blue-duncan; Quix; Marysecretary; Alex Murphy; Alamo-Girl; xzins; 1000 silverlings; ...
Good grief, Dr. E., I am simply astonished that you read Caritas in Veritate as being, in any sense, a "political document."

It is grievous, but there's nothing "good" about it. The pope's encyclical reads like a press release from the U.N. via Karl Marx.

Furthermore, just about everything ends up as politics, one way or another. Certainly this document is riddled with so many political aspects that any moral directives are overshadowed.

Moreover, Pope Benedict didn't advocate any of the above things you impute to him.

With thanks to Alex Murphy for his fine reading skills, here are some of the encyclical's quotes, found in Alex' THREAD POSTED HERE (refer to comments 1,9,26; the following is comment #9)...

67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protect[146] and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity (sounds pretty political to me). To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations. The integral development of peoples and international cooperation require the establishment of a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization[149]. They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order, to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations.

Or Alex' post #3 here on another thread...

In fact, this document sounds more political every time I read it. I can understand liberals cheering the pope's call for one world government and its enforcement "with teeth." But how conservatives, even conservative Roman Catholics, can call this tripe anything but a blue print for the demise of our republic, is beyond me.


107 posted on 07/13/2009 2:55:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: betty boop

DERA BB,

It may be a week or 2 or . . .

before I can get to responding to your posts here on this thread.

Add, possibly, to that, my desire to read the whole doc and comment on the whole doc . . . in context with itself.

I will note that key words and phrases appear to clearly support SOME FORM OF GLOBAL GOVERNMENT—AT LEAST IN TERMS OF ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC DISTRIBUTIONS ETC.

And imho, there’s absolutely no way that such can occur apart from THE SATANIC global government that’s been covertly in power for at least 100 years.

Further, that the Pope must have known that

or

should have known that.

Put another way—there will be no global government in any sense of the word in any sphere of life before Armageddon

apart from, different from the satanic global government that has ruled for so many decades covertly, already.

The Pope MUST have known that

or he’s clueless or his staff or incompetent or they are all in denial and grossly uninformed to head such a large global organization.

It APPEARS that just as you are FR’s paragon expert par excellance on Maytreia . . .

I have the . . . distinction of having studied globalism the longest of those I know about on FR. . . . since 1965.

And I find this doc extremely alarming.


111 posted on 07/13/2009 9:59:54 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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