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To: epluribus_2
....."Those traditions may be truer than the written word for all we know.".....

Read your Bible and think about what you just said. If Jesus did anything, it was to confront HIS Church about the traditions of men. Jesus had very little use for man made traditions.

I always get in trouble when I start on this subject, but here goes again,.......MOST denominations that wear robes and collars, have repetitive prayers and readings, and follow the traditions of men rather than follow the Holy Spirit. Now I know there are dedicated servants of Christ out there that wear robes and collars, but as a rule, their worship goes 180 deg against the teachings of the Word of God.

If you don't believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, breathed by the Holy Spirit through the pen of men, then I guess traditions of men with fine gold and silver vestments make more sense than what Jesus taught in His normal period clothes. The Spirit of the Bible says different, and in fact Jesus was pretty mean to the leaders of the Temple with their fine vestments and their dead souls. Jesus came to Earth for the main reason of dying for our sins, but He also taught us Spiritual things, and also confronted the Church leaders with their hypocrisies. Much of what we do in church is habit and tradition. What would church be like if we walked in and there wasn't a list of songs and activities thrust in our hand? Real worship might accidentally break out and an encounter with the real loving Lord might fill the building and change lives. We could always discuss the women's meeting with the local clubs and the men fixing the leaking roof and of course asking for money to do whatever, at a later date. Where is it written that we have 3 songs, a sermon, and an alter call every Sunday before we watch the football game? I think Jesus has another idea of what His day is supposed to be for. As long as the regimented worship services( and that is most all denominations), are prescripted, I doubt how much worship actually gets done.

21 posted on 07/07/2009 3:00:54 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Well, all I can say is thank the Eternal Holy Trinity I never have to stand in front of YOUR dread throne of judgement, Chuck. Me, personally, my own sins are far too great to stand in judgement of anyone.

We Orthodox know for certain where the Lord is worshipped and glorified (and has been for 2,000 years - whether YOU like it or not) and we don’t make judgements about where the Lord isn’t. We do know where He IS.

How ‘bout YOU return the favor?


24 posted on 07/07/2009 4:01:29 PM PDT by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: chuckles

I believe that the Bible is the word of God. But we do not have the original bible. And I do not accept that it is complete and no knowledge of God and Christ exists outside of it. That knowledge is said to have been passed on from Christ to His Church through those he directly sent. This is what I believe, although I understand others have not come to this belief in their training and traditions.


27 posted on 07/07/2009 8:20:27 PM PDT by epluribus_2
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