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Pope Benedict XVI calls for new economic system based on love in G8 message [new, stronger U.N.]
Times Online ^ | July 7, 2009 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 07/07/2009 7:11:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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Central to his recommendations is reform of the United Nations....[He] calls for a new authority to supplant the UN, "to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international co-operation for the development of all peoples in solidarity"....

....He adds: "To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority.

"Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good, and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth.

"Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the co-ordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations."

He urges the construction of a social order that conforms to the moral order, "to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations".

1 posted on 07/07/2009 7:11:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Ack. World government.


2 posted on 07/07/2009 7:15:33 AM PDT by Woebama (Paying for my neighbor's mortgage and Wall Street's bonuses sure is hard.)
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To: Alex Murphy

One World Government.


3 posted on 07/07/2009 7:21:08 AM PDT by unkus
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To: Woebama
Ack. World government.

All the "new world order" pretribbers' heads are exploding right now.

4 posted on 07/07/2009 7:21:15 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Luther's phrase "faith alone" is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love" - BXVI)
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To: Alex Murphy

*eye roll*


5 posted on 07/07/2009 7:23:41 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Eschew exclamatory abuse.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I think I’ll wait and read the actual encyclical rather than the Murdoch spin on it.

I do notice, however, that the avalanche of bolding HTML codes did nothing to emphasize the words “...to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity...”


6 posted on 07/07/2009 7:28:21 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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Doesn’t the harlot church in Rev. have seven hills? Does Rome sit on seven hills.

This sounds like socialism run by faith in the one world church.

Ler’s rebuild the temple and get this party started.


7 posted on 07/07/2009 7:39:35 AM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: stockpirate
You know way too much.

I'll be talking to my Opus Dei cell this afternoon and Silas may pay you a visit.

8 posted on 07/07/2009 7:42:34 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Petronski
I think I’ll wait and read the actual encyclical rather than the Murdoch spin on it.

Here's the relevant section, in the official translation found on the Vatican website. All of the encyclical quotes reproduced in post #1 are taken verbatim from the official translation. There is no "Murdoch spin", only Pope Benedict XVI's own words calling for a "family of nations" to "acquire real teeth":

67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protect[146] and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations. The integral development of peoples and international cooperation require the establishment of a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization[149]. They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order, to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations.


9 posted on 07/07/2009 7:48:57 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Luther's phrase "faith alone" is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love" - BXVI)
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Doesn’t the harlot church in Rev. have seven hills? Does Rome sit on seven hills.

This sounds like socialism run by faith in the one world church.

Ler’s rebuild the temple and get this party started.


10 posted on 07/07/2009 7:49:39 AM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: stockpirate

Why are you bashing the Catholic Church?

Why do you believe what you do? Because someone told you?

Dig a little deeper, please, and find the truth.


11 posted on 07/07/2009 7:57:33 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Alex Murphy
There is no "Murdoch spin"...

Sure there is. You posted it at the top of this thread.

...only Pope Benedict XVI's own words calling for a "family of nations" to "acquire real teeth"...

Only that, eh? And nothing else?

12 posted on 07/07/2009 8:00:12 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: stockpirate

The Vatican is on the opposite shore of the Tiber from the ancient part of Rome that sits on seven hills.


13 posted on 07/07/2009 8:01:25 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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The text of Benedict XVI itself disproves your speculation that he's calling for a one-world government:

Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good, and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth.

Subsidiarity- "One of the key principles of Catholic social thought is known as the principle of subsidiarity. This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. In other words, any activity which can be performed by a more decentralized entity should be. This principle is a bulwark of limited government and personal freedom. It conflicts with the passion for centralization and bureaucracy characteristic of the Welfare State." Taken from The Principle of Subsidiarity.

14 posted on 07/07/2009 8:04:48 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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Governments and bureacracies grow. The principle of subsidiarity is much like our principle of Federalism. Around for the first 100 years or so and then out the window in the interests of power and expediency. When someone figures out how to limit government across a long period of time — they’ll be the most important thinker in world history, excepting only Christ.


15 posted on 07/07/2009 8:10:58 AM PDT by Woebama (Paying for my neighbor's mortgage and Wall Street's bonuses sure is hard.)
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Keep in mind that the basic, and only natural, organization in Catholic thought on subsidiarity is the family. Thus no government organization at any level should perform those functions that are proper to the family. All higher organizations only exist to support the lower, not the other way around as in socialist, communist, fascist, or statist thought.


16 posted on 07/07/2009 8:13:46 AM PDT by Petrosius
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Such an authority would need to be regulated by law,to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good, and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth.

Subsidiarity is the socialism killer and the "one world government" killer but will anybody notice? This passage points to the correct interpretation of the Pope's words and points to his real meaning in the encyclical.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

#1885: The principle of subsidiarity is opposed to all forms of collectivism. It sets limits for state intervention. It aims at harmonizing the relationships between individuals and societies. It tends toward the establishment of true international order.

#1894 In accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, neither the state nor any larger society should substitute itself for the initiative and responsibility of individuals .

# 1883 Socialization also presents dangers. Excessive intervention by the state can threaten personal freedom and initiative. The teaching of the Church has elaborated the principle of subsidiarity, according to which "a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to co- ordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good."

Beautifully clear, isn't it?

Carry on with the party.

17 posted on 07/07/2009 8:16:27 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

Great post!


18 posted on 07/07/2009 8:17:54 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Petrosius

Thank you for the clarification. I like the idea of a government whose main purpose is to support the family.


19 posted on 07/07/2009 8:19:13 AM PDT by Woebama (Paying for my neighbor's mortgage and Wall Street's bonuses sure is hard.)
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To: stockpirate
Doesn’t the harlot church in Rev. have seven hills? Does Rome sit on seven hills. Idiot.
20 posted on 07/07/2009 8:21:59 AM PDT by Shane ONeill
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