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To: bdeaner; Markos33
RCs belabor the physical world because that seems to be all they know of God -- various rituals and rites and icons and trinkets and statues and "another Christ" in front of them "forgiving" their sins. Yes, God created everything good, and then our first father, Adam, fell, forever staining mankind with the blemish of that indelible disobedience.

It took the coming of our second father, Jesus Christ, to redeem us from that sin by standing in our place before God and taking on the punishment rightly due us so that we now stand acquitted before the eyes of God.

The RCC used to better understand original sin. Lately it seems the double speak has extended even to this basic Christian belief.

"Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit"

Is our body made from bricks and mortar? No, Paul is speaking of the spiritual body. We are spiritual beings and you want to remain carnal.

But the fact that we are spiritual beings most definitely effects our physical life on earth by the good fruits produced by the Holy Spirit within us. We are His children. We were created to mirror the joy of Christ in all things.

The Scriptures overwhelmingly support the Catholic position with regard to enacting physically our spiritual sanctification.

That sentence doesn't even make much sense. All you're doing is grasping at straws hoping to justify your pagan ritual of transubstantiation which is idolatry in God's eyes. Christ is in heaven, not being served up in temples made with hands. He made His sacrifice for His lost sheep and that one-time, completed sacrifice has been accepted by God and marked "paid-in-full."

"Spiritually" for St. Paul means acting genuinely from within rather than just externally

lol. How does a man "act genuinely?" How does a man perform righteousness if what is "within" him is rebellious by nature?

Answer: he must be born again, spiritually, by the free gift of the Holy Spirit, according to the will and purpose of God.

950 posted on 06/30/2009 9:54:24 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Answer: he must be born again, spiritually, by the free gift of the Holy Spirit, according to the will and purpose of God.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. If I had a nickle for every "saved" person I know that has been set free of nothing but their guilt, I could have retired in my first year of "salvation."

953 posted on 06/30/2009 10:06:40 AM PDT by papertyger (A difference that makes no difference is no difference)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
All you're doing is grasping at straws hoping to justify your pagan ritual of transubstantiation...

Holy Eucharist is Christ's gift to us, partaking of it is His command. It is by definition Christian, not pagan.

...which is idolatry in God's eyes.

So says you. Christ commands it and you say it is idolatry--idolatry to worship Him!--in His eyes.

I'm going to have to go with what Christ teaches, not you.

960 posted on 06/30/2009 10:32:08 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“lol. How does a man “act genuinely?” “

he can’t, we cannot be good enough or do enough good works to be saved and spend eternity in Heaven.


1,029 posted on 06/30/2009 5:04:37 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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