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To: papertyger; PugetSoundSoldier
“No the Catholic Church teaches that you WILL got to hell for not fulfilling your religious obligations.”

Then what good is grace?

853 posted on 06/29/2009 10:37:05 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Third World trickle up poverty, will lead to cascading Third World tyranny.)
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To: Markos33
Then what good is grace?

Grace gives us the faith and hope in eternal life by which we are lead in the first place to participate in the sacraments which are the instrumental means of salvation Christ institutes through the Church.
858 posted on 06/29/2009 10:46:11 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Markos33; papertyger

Grace is irrelevant. It is by works and actions that Catholics are saved, according to papertyger. You can earn your way into Heaven, faith and Grace are not needed.

With zealots like that, there is no common ground. We are condemned to Hell in his own words, because we do not accept the exact same dogma as he espouses.


862 posted on 06/29/2009 10:51:21 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier
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To: Markos33
Then what good is grace?

Grace has no value if it's not a blank check?

868 posted on 06/29/2009 10:58:45 PM PDT by papertyger (A difference that makes no difference is no difference)
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To: Markos33
Then what good is grace?

Then what good came out of the crucifixion???

904 posted on 06/30/2009 4:01:14 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Markos33

Isn’t that something? No wonder these guys are confused.


1,041 posted on 06/30/2009 6:15:40 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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