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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Apparently you do not understand the ordinary magisterium?

The fault is yours.

Like so many fashionable iconoclasts trashing the Catholic Church, the problem isn't how much you know, but rather how much you know that just isn't true.

It was a mistake for me to ever get involved in this conversation because, as I anticipated, it's just a clever game of jousting and gotcha.

692 posted on 06/29/2009 5:01:50 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
You need to learn more about your own Church:

These teachings of the Ordinary Magisterium are referred to by then Cardinal Ratzinger, with particular wording, as “the non-infallible teaching of the Magisterium” and “non-irreformable magisterial teaching,” in the document issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith called 'The Ecclesial Vocation of the Theologian,' n. 28 and 33. This wording demonstrates Cardinal Ratzinger's understanding that not all Magisterial teachings are infallible or irreformable.

You are at odds with your own Pope, and in fact - per that article - may be committing heresy.

This is also spelled out in the Catechism 891:

"The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals.... The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed," and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith." This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.

The ordinary Magisterium is not given infallibility by the Catechism; only the supreme Magisterium.

Do not blame me for exposing you to the truth that your own Church - and your own Pope - teaches. You are the one that refuses to open your eyes and believe.

There is not game of "gotcha" here; there is only the revealing of the truth. Choose to not believe at the risk of excommunication from your own Church by professing heresy.

697 posted on 06/29/2009 5:28:03 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier
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