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To: D-fendr
You chose it - as part of your self appointed goal. It's logical to assume you choice was not random but the result of your judgement of its value

Do you honestly believe that? Our choices can be reflexive, random, judgmental or "just because." Do you think it's possible it's not really my goal, but curiosity?

Your post is pretty much mind-reading like I noticed with some other posters here. My choice does not have to be my "self-appointed goal," (such as retirement, getting married, children, etc.), but a mere diverison of curiosity, so it's not logical to assume anything about my or anyone else's thought processes.

Maybe this maind-reading streak is just characteristic of a particular crowd of poeple who, by their own admission, live by and subject everythng to a priori assumptions without realizing how wrong that can be.

2,798 posted on 07/22/2009 5:04:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50

I’m only trying here to communicate effectively and efficiently what I said before about values, logic, conditional and absolute. The same communication, only by an example or an illustration. For efficiency sake.

Only after it’s communicated effectively, can we discuss and evaluate it. We’re not to that point yet.

I’m not trying to read your mind, I’m asking you. And I’m not judging the rightness or wrongness of your reply. Just discussing the process.

What you choose and value is not the point I’m focusing on. Whatever you said your purpose or self-appointed goal was, the question is the same: Why did you choose this? Why is it better than its contrary. As an illustration for means of communication.

It is logical to assume that our choices illustrate what we value - that’s why we choose them. Our choices reflect what we value. Certainly there are instincts, reflexes, random picks of numbers at Las Vegas.

To examine values, these latter are of little use. We would need something a bit larger. I picked why you are posting your views on this topic to me, because I believe it large enough to illustrate the terms and points I’m attempting to communicate.

I’m asking you, and not judging the reply. Examining the process. Working backwards in examination of our choices and the values they reflect.

You also said: “Try just enjoying life.” I would ask “why is enjoying life better than not?”

You said: “ I get up in the morning and go about my business”. I would ask “why is going about your business better than not?”

The answers lead us up the hierarchy of our values.

Before, I said that ultimately we think we know what has value or we accept someone else’s, or we go about it unaware.

I don’t see you in the last category. Your are inquisitive, knowledgeable and look for truth. Which is why I value your responses and this discussion with you.


2,799 posted on 07/22/2009 5:41:35 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: kosta50

You included learning in your reply before, as your intent or goal, I asked “why is learning better than not learning?”

You objected at this point. To attempt to overcome your objection: Is learning better than not learning? (to you).


2,800 posted on 07/22/2009 6:04:49 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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