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To: kosta50
why does anything have to have a purpose?

I don't know, but without one we don't ask such questions - or get up in the morning.

How do you know there are absolutes then?

I know they are necessary to fully use reason/logic in determining human decisions. Without them, real or assumed, we have no place to begin our reasoning. We all, at the least, act as though they exist.

In absolute values, our choices are 1) Absolute values and truths exist and can be known 2) We can only take someone else's word they exist and we consciously choose some. 3) Unconsciously do 2, our actions illustrating which absolute values are true for us.

The alternative to all of these, if we are making all decisions on logic-reason is to be frozen in an endless road "why/because" ?

if an absolute cannot be known by reason, by which means it is known?

You are not frozen, you have purpose and values. So you know or act as though you know absolute truth/values. Find what these, maybe one, are - a simple exercise will work - and ask yourself the same question. I think this is the most useful answer.

2,755 posted on 07/20/2009 1:45:25 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
[why does anything have to have a purpose?] I don't know, but without one we don't ask such questions - or get up in the morning

Try just enjoying life and good fortune, and if you are believer, give thanks to God and put everything in his hands. Wasn't Jesus the one who said sparrows don't worry, and neither should you?

I think purpose is a reflection of man's overblown ego.

I have no clue what my purpose is and I get up in the morning and go about my business. Animals do too. The earth keeps going endlessly around the sun and the sun around the black hole in the canter of our galaxy, and our galaxy rotates around the local group of galaxies, etc. all going around in circles...for no apparent reason whatsoever.

[absolutes] I know they are necessary to fully use reason/logic in determining human decisions

I don't think they are necessary at all. If anything we sue them to force our beliefs as true and judge others as false. They are theoretical constructs that "explain" things we cannot comprehend, man-made constructs, speculative tales.

Do you think we are any lesser because we don't know why gravity exists? Or higher because we figured out why it rains? I submit it makes no difference whatsoever.

[if an absolute cannot be known by reason, by which means it is known?] You are not frozen, you have purpose and values. So you know or act as though you know absolute truth/values. Find what these, maybe one, are - a simple exercise will work - and ask yourself the same question. I think this is the most useful answer.

But they are not really absolute truth are they? They are human constructs we are crazy or even stupid enough to believe to be true. I don't know what my purpose is. Do you know what's yours? And if you do, how do you know it?

2,764 posted on 07/20/2009 8:42:40 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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