No Salvation Outside the Church

Catholic Answers ^ | 12/05 | Fr. Ray Ryland

[Petronski]

...take up the claim that Paul wasn’t an apostle with the poster of post 357....

Ah yes, the "gotcha" moment.

You who bragged about who much you know about what Catholicism teaches, now defining terms by what Freeper posted (while obviously not anticipating the game).

[Petronski]

Then stay out of it...

Out of the gotcha game?

Thanks for the admission.

[Petronski]

...NOT in any way, shape, or form addressed to you...

You DO realize you made a public post in a public forum, right?

[papertyger]

Clearly the example of Paul breaks that statement, as the Apostles - as defined in post 357 - are the Twelve original disciples of Christ.

No, it doesn't. Paul claims apostolic authority in 1Cor9:1. The problem here is your extra-biblical definition of "apostle," not a lack of supporting scripture.

And we also see that the power to "bind and loose" is given to Paul, not one of the Twelve.

How do we know that?

[bdeaner]

There's not one instance in the Book of Acts or in the Epistles of an Apostle remitting the sins of anyone.

First of all, let's be clear. The Catholic Church does NOT claim that any human being other than Our Lord has the power to forgive sins. Rather, more precisely, the Catholic Church forgives sins IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, which is what Christ told His Disciples (and by implication their successor) to do.

So, in a certain says, no Apostle remits the sins of anyone anywhere in Scripture, but this is a straw man argument, because this is not in fact what the Catholic Church claims to do. Again, the Church forgives sins IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

However, with that clarification made, here is a verse from Acts, aside from the Gospel verses I references earlier, which validate Catholic teaching on the sacrament of Confession.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of your in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.’"

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Like I said, how do people fall for this stuff???

"This stuff" is why John Calvin said the RCC and its magisterium were vain usurpers of the office and work of the Holy Spirit.

His righteousness was given to us as a gift because no matter what we do, we will never measure up..

Amen! Saved by grace and grace alone through the free, unmerited covering of Christ's righteousness mercifully credited to a believer's account by the Triune God who loved him from before the foundation of the world.

Sad to think this blessed truth has been kept from so many for so long.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Look, are you too slow to understand? I’ll break this down for you (please try to follow along):

1. I asked about the concept of the primacy of the pope.
2. A poster answers back that it stems from Jesus’ words to the Twelve, as the set of Apostles.
3. I answer how does Paul fit into that since he performed miracles - including raising from the dead and casting out demons - and was not one of the Twelve, thus not an Apostle (as the poster in 357 alluded to).
4. You and Petronski jump in without understanding the context, apparently.

I made no claim that Paul wasn’t an Apostle; I was using the poster’s own claim to show how he was wrong, I didn’t need to refute his claim of who was or who wasn’t an Apostle - the Bible lays it out.

[driftdiver]

Trolls are abundant on FR sometimes.

[papertyger]

Cults do this to make members too afraid to leave.

The only flaw in your statement is the assumption that because cults make such claims without authority, that NO ONE possesses that authority.

Hate to burst your bubble, but a policeman DOES have the authority to command obedience from you that would be kidnapping if anyone else did it. That doesn't make cops into kidnappers.

[Semper Mark]

“Again, the Church forgives sins IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.”

Christ doesn’t need any help to forgive sins.

What is it that forgives sins?

[wintertime]

The only flaw in your statement is the assumption that because cults make such claims without authority, that NO ONE possesses that authority.
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Then according to you the Catholic Church is a cult with authority. Ok! I get it!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The "major take home point" of this article is the same cloistered folly Rome has been dishing for centuries -- there is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic church.

Thankfully, Scripture proves Rome wrong again.

[bdeaner]

Did you even read it? Doesn’t appear that way, based on your statement.

[Petronski]

You really are ignorant, aren’t you?

No.

You are a troll and a bigot; good day sir.

You have blinded me with your projection.

[Mr Rogers]

Why does St Paul refer to St Peter as a ‘so-called pillar of the church’?

[Petronski]

Using his OWN definitions I showed how that was false.

Not the Catholic Church's definitions, but his?

Despite your avowed expertise?

[bdeaner]

Christ doesn’t need any help to forgive sins.

Then please tell me why did HE tell His Disciples to do it?

Jn 20:23 Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.

How more clear could He be? You do believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God don't you? Well?

[Petronski]

Doesn’t appear that way, based on your statement.

Why learn what the Catholic Church teaches when lies about the Catholic Church are so much easier?

[Mr Rogers]

Enjoy this on Scripture, with references...

http://www.grbc.net/about_us/1689.php?chapter=1