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To: Iscool
It says the prayers are oders...

Please be true to the Scripture. The verse in Rev. 5:8 states explicitly that the bowls of incense ARE the prayers of the saints. Exact verse: "...golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."

In addition, there are many, many verses in Scripture regarding intercessory prayer, including prayer to those who have died and gone to Heaven. The Revelations scripture is just one example.
67 posted on 06/21/2009 9:10:36 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner
Please be true to the Scripture. The verse in Rev. 5:8 states explicitly that the bowls of incense ARE the prayers of the saints. Exact verse: "...golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

OK...Let's look at it...

Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

You've got Chapter 5:8 figured out...What about this one???

Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

These guys have white raiment on... Are they Christians of the church age??? We are said to have been 'washed white'; not dressed in white clothes...Regardless,

Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Here are 7 lamps of fire which are the 7 Spirits of God...So God has more than one Spirit...What's that all about???

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Now wait a minute...Just a minute ago, the seven Spirits were seven fires...Now those seven Spirits are seven horns and they each have an eye...

What's going on here??? You need to explain this stuff...

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Obviously the saints are live saints on earth...Saints in heaven would have no need to pray to God...They'll just talk to Him...

So the prayers that start out from earth end up in golden vials...But you don't hear them...You don't read them...You smell them...Your prayers get smelled...They are of a good odor...

I wonder how long all this takes...You pray to Mary, or St. Bill and the prayer ends up in a gold vial...Just one of only 24...

Out of the many verses that describe this event, you and your church have picked up on the words saint, prayer and odor/incense and fabricated a story about how your Catholic Saints take your prayers to Jesus...

Outside of those three words, you have to trash every word in these verses because they couldn't possibly fit in with your story...And intelligent, educated people fall for it...Boggles my mind...

85 posted on 06/22/2009 6:28:34 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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