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To: bdeaner
Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ. We worship the Lord, and we venerate or honor His Mother, because, in imitation of Chirst, we obey the 4th commandment.

Problem is; what you say you do and what you do are two different things...

When you ask someone to perform miracles for you; to provide you with grace, it is worship...And that's what we see and hear from you guys...

It's not a case of misunderstanding your religion...We see what you do and we know what worship is...

79 posted on 06/20/2009 2:04:31 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
When you ask someone to perform miracles for you; to provide you with grace, it is worship...And that's what we see and hear from you guys...

You really misunderstand interccessory prayer and miracles associated with Mary and the Saints. ALL of it is due to the Lord. Everything. But the Lord uses agents to do His work. That's thoroughly and undeniably scriptural. God could have talked to Mary Himself and asked Her to bear His Son. But no, He sent the Archangel Gabriel to do the job. Mary and the Saints can also intercede for us, just as the angels can.

Asking for someone's prayers, whether they are alive or dead, is absolutely not the same as worshipping that person. Catholics ask Mary to "pray for us now and at the hour of death" (from the "Hail Mary"), just as you very likely ask your friends or pastor to pray for you. When you ask your friends or pastor to pray for you, you're not worshipping them, are you? Of course not. Neither are non-heretical Catholics worshipping Mary by asking for her intercessions, her prayers. Such claims are based on ignorance rather than a genuine understanding of Catholic theology.

In a little while, I am going to post a thread on intercessory prayer, and I will ping you for further conversation on this matter.
89 posted on 06/20/2009 10:25:16 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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