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To: LTC.Ret

The problem I see is that if THE mark is forced on someone, God isn’t going to leave that person. The person has to worship the beast, as well as receive the mark.

Rev 14:9 -
And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Rev 16.2 -
So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth, and harmful and painful sores came upon the people who bore the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

Rev 19.19 -
And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

This leads me to believe that *IF* the government injects a RFID tag into someone (young, old, coherent, Alzheimer’s, healthy), and the key is UNKNOWINGLY, then it does nothing to ones salvation.

However, I cut the RFID tags out of my credit cards, so what do I know.


19 posted on 06/17/2009 10:55:13 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: Ro_Thunder

While I’m leary of declaring the end times are upon us (because nobody knows the time or day), I think it is significant that we live in a time when all of the wild predictions made in the Bible about the end times actually make sense (at least for a technology standpoint.)

When America was founded just over 200 years ago, a one-world government was a technological impossibility (due to the communication barriers if for no other reason.) They must have read the Bible and thought “how the heck could that ever come about?” Today, I can communicate with someone on the other side of the world as easily as someone down the street using the internet.

As far as being forced to take the mark, (imho) the mark is an outward sign of an inward spiritual decision. It will have to involve some type of oath that denies God for it to be damning.

For people that know their history, remember how soon after gaining power Hitler had all military personnel retake their oath. Their original oath had them swear to protect Germany. The new oath had them swear loyalty to Hitler (literally, German soliders were required to not swear loyalty to their country, but loyalty to Adolf Hitler. They actually used his name in the oath.)

Given that I’m starting to lean towards the idea that the antichrist will be a muslim, and the world false religion will be Islam, I can see an oath that requires people to swear loyalty to Islam and deny any other God (as requirement to get the mark) being the spiritual side of the mark.


33 posted on 06/17/2009 11:16:35 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Obama hasn't just open Pandora's box, he has thrown us inside and closed the lid.)
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To: Ro_Thunder

They do worship the beast already. How many people see the Government as their savior? Chip implanted for your convenience, look to the Government instead of God to take care of you. Game Over.


38 posted on 06/17/2009 11:28:45 AM PDT by Eric45
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