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To: NYer

I agree with a few points. One thing i disagree is the music,
if we are to get young people into the church we must play the music they like.It does not need to be crude there are some great CCM artists out there.


18 posted on 06/12/2009 4:26:14 PM PDT by since1868 (I miss Pres Bush)
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To: since1868
if we are to get young people into the church we must play the music they like.

Wrong! The Catholic Church tried that, and failed. Youth are smart, in a clever way. They want to worship God. Even they recognize the difference between rock and prayer. Just take a look at the huge turnouts for World Youth Day. These youth travel from the 4 corners of the world to spend time on a pilgrimage of faith and prayer with the Holy Father.

25 posted on 06/12/2009 4:42:29 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: since1868
if we are to get young people into the church we must play the music they like.

Nope. Didn't work for the Episcopalians. Didn't work for the Catholics either (all either church did was jettison 1500 years of beautiful, entrancing, Godly music for pop kitsch.)

The person who has done the best job explaining the problem with contemporary pop music in a worship service is Pope Benedict XVI:

On the one hand, there is pop music, which is certainly no longer supported by the people in the ancient sense (populus). It is aimed at the phenomenon of the masses, is industrially produced, and ultimately has to be described as a cult of the banal. "Rock", on the other hand, is the expression of elemental passions, and at rock festivals it assumes a cultic character, a form of worship, in fact, in opposition to Christian worship. People are, so to speak, released from themselves by the experience of being part of a crowd and by the emotional shock of rhythm, noise, and special lighting effects. However, in the ecstasy of having all their defenses torn down, the participants sink, as it were, beneath the elemental force of the universe. The music of the Holy Spirit's sober inebriation seems to have little chance when self has become a prison, the mind is a shackle, and breaking out from both appears as a true promise of redemption that can be tasted at least for a few moments. (The Spirit of the Liturgy, pp 147-8)

Music and Logos

Not every kind of music can have a place in Christian worship. It has its standards, and that standard is the Logos. If we want to know whom we are dealing with, the Holy Spirit or the unholy spirit, we have to remember that it is the Holy Spirit who moves us to say, "Jesus is Lord" (1 Cor 12:3). The Holy Spirit leads us to the Logos, and he leads us to a music that serves the Logos as a sign of the sursum corda, the lifting up of the human heart. Does it integrate man by drawing him to what is above, or does it cause his disintegration into formless intoxication or mere sensuality? That is the criterion for a music in harmony with logos, a form of that logiké latreia (reason-able, logos-worthy worship) of which we spoke in the first part of this book." (The Spirit of the Liturgy, p 151)

Pop and rock are both of the marketplace. They are designed to grab the emotions, as our music director says "there has to be a 'hook' in the first 4 bars" and they are designed to sell records. They're also very "me" focused (hence the "Jesus is my boyfriend" quip) rather than on God.

31 posted on 06/12/2009 5:14:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: since1868
if we are to get young people into the church we must play the music they like.

Um, my parish can challenge that. Beautiful music transcends age. We have plenty of young people in a choir that is REALLY good for a parish. And they love the challenge of Renaissance and Baroque pieces.

44 posted on 06/12/2009 6:22:14 PM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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