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To: nickcarraway; NYer

I am in the Oakland diocese. You are right, Vigneron was fairly low key, however orthodox he personally is. At the same time, he was major improvement over flunky Cummins for sure.

To be fair, a bishop cannot micro-manage everything. I remember during the ordination mass for 3 priests, the “litany of saints” included Martin Luther King Jr. No way Vigneron would ever approve that but, what was he to do when it came out like that? He was blind-sided. It was a hi-jack.

Even when Vigneron wrote in the local diocesan rag, he addressed people with “dear sisters and brothers” to be politically correct, which is not quite his style. Not sure he got that hi-jacked either.

To his credit, Vigneron has the style of gentle yet firm. When he visited the very first parish as bishop, during mass, people stood during Consecration, as routine under Cummins’ regime. Vigneron did not say anything, he simply held up the Consecrated Host “forever”, till every single one person got down on their knees. What a teaching and heartfelt moment. I admire that.

Still, the Oakland diocese after Cummins is a fix-er-uper. Lots of work ahead. Good luck to Cordileone.


8 posted on 06/12/2009 12:28:07 AM PDT by m4629
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To: m4629; NYer
Bishop Cummins was the unquestionably the "most liberal," bishop of the three Bay Area dioceses, but he was also the most fair to orthodox Catholics in a lot of ways: The Oakland Diocese had the best pro-life office. The woman working there (and I believe she still is there) is fantastic. San Francisco has had a Respect Life office, and sometimes an even. The San Jose Diocese has no pro-life office whatsoever, and generally ignores the issue altogether. (Technically one of the women in the office has the Respect Life responsibility, but it's something like her 9th priority responsibility and I have never heard of them doing anything) Cummins was also the only Bay Area bishop to allow a weekly Traditional Latin Mass. So even though he was liberal, he actually embraced the positive sense of the word, allowing conservative Catholic some crumbs his colleagues wouldn't.
9 posted on 06/12/2009 1:05:51 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: m4629
he addressed people with “dear sisters and brothers” to be politically correct

As opposed to what? "Dear brothers and sisters"? I don't see that as political correctness, more of a polite thing, i.e. ladies before gents.

10 posted on 06/12/2009 9:55:45 AM PDT by old and tired
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