Abortion is murder, so should we put on our Punisher shirts (or perhaps the Spanish Inquisition costume from Monty Python), arm up, and start hunting abortion doctors?
Should we all leave church, grab our pitch forks, and start killing those who oppose us? You say that if one views abortion as murder, than one needs to support what Roeder did, and probably should join in.
So again, Mr Marlowe. How many millions do you feel we need to kill in order to stop abortion? For if that is the only path open to us (either embracing the killing of babies or the killing of abortion doctors), then lay out your plan of attack.
Of course, you did leave unaddressed my point about Paul. See, if you want to see some REAL bad stuff, read about what Rome liked to do for fun. Read about how the first century Christians were killed. The Romans were nothing if not inventive.
And they loved abortion. Sewers in many Roman ruins (and in parts of Rome itself) were plugged up with the bodies of dead babies that the people would flush out with the rest of the ... well you know.
And those first century Christians, I guess using the reasoning you stated here, they must have grabbed the sword and started slitting every Roman throat they came across right? I mean the writings of the Early Church call all abortionists murder (including those caused by chemical birth control, and yes they had that). So if they truly thought it was murder, then they surly must have started killing those who did it right?
Or did they follow what Paul said in the Bible. Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. But then I guess they just didn't believe in what they said. After all, they were only tortured to death, exiled, imprisoned, raped, fed to the lions, and all of the other sick devices that age used. They didn't follow the truth of their convictions, discard what Jesus and Paul taught, and start killing their enemies. Then Paul was a fool for going to prison, and Jesus more of one for dieing on the cross. For they should have followed their convictions and just unleashed total war on those who sin.
Now, I know from some of your other posts that you DO NOT believe that. Tiller's murder was wrong, and it will delay the day when abortion is outlawed. All those who want to kill their later term babies will just hop up the highway to Omaha and get the procedure done there. And in the mean time, people now have a view of the pro life movement that we are dangerous terrorists.
I thought you had been reading my posts. We should not kill anyone to stop abortion because that would be murder. Abortion is NOT murder because it is legal and has been sanctioned by the government and the government has been instituted as the authority to which we must obey. As markomalley showed me with his references to Aquinas, it would be immoral to break a law instituted by the sovereign in order to effect moral change. Abortion is legal and therefore anyone who practices it is without guilt before the law (unless they do it without a medical license).
You say that if one views abortion as murder, than one needs to support what Roeder did, and probably should join in.
If in fact Abortion WAS murder, then there would be no need to do that because the Civil Authorities would be the ones which would extract justice. Again, thank you mark for showing me that passage from Aquinas. It really helped me to sort thing thing out in my mind. The fact of the matter is that the state has determined that Abortion is NOT murder, so that would preclude anyone from taking the law into their own hands to prevent it. Roeder's actions meet the definition of murder which is as follows:
The unlawful killing of a human being by another human being with malice aforethought.
The Government has determined that physicians are human beings and so is Roeder. He killed Tiller, so the only question would be whether or not it was "unlawful". Since he had not moral or legal authority to take Tiller's life, it was an unlawful act and since he hunted him down and shot him, we can infer malice aforethought. Roeder should be executed as soon as the law allows.
Now lets look at Roeder's innocent victim. George Tiller was a model citizen, a church going physician (those are rare these days) and apparently he was referred to as a generous individual. He had a clinic that performed legal medical procedures for the benefit of women who came from all over the United States to seek out his expertise. He did abortions, which are legal on fetuses which have never been granted the status of human being by the courts or the congress of this country. So Roeder is a murderer and Tiller is an innocent victim.
And in the mean time, people now have a view of the pro life movement that we are dangerous terrorists.
Obviously Roeder is not a part of that movement. The pro-life movement believes, like you and I, that Tiller was an innocent victim and Roeder was a cold blooded killer.