Tiller’s missing excommunication (LCMS)

Get Religion ^ | 6/8/2009 | Mollie Ziegler

[Alamo-Girl]

Truly, the death toll mounts with unrepentant serial killers.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

[metmom]

Tiller certainly was denied the opportunity to come to repentance but he was also denied the opportunity to take the lives of more babies.

Honestly, he had plenty of time to repent and plenty of opportunities. That's why it's foolhardy to put it off.

Don't forget that he quipped that performing abortions was worth going to hell for.

For those who bemoan his missed opportunities to repent, don't forget that he got what he wanted. Sometimes God gives us that.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!

[pray4liberty]

Don't forget that he quipped that performing abortions was worth going to hell for. For those who bemoan his missed opportunities to repent, don't forget that he got what he wanted. Sometimes God gives us that.

Well, at least in Hell he can't murder another innocent human being. God is just.

[Redleg Duke]

As someone who left the ELCA for the LCMS, while the murder of this abortionist is reprehensible, the actions of my new synod in his case fill be with confirmation of the rightness of my decision back in 2005 to leave the ELCA.

The ELCA provides medical coverage for its employees that includes coverage for abortion procedures. The ELCA is no longer a Christian Church in my eyes but a left wing political organization.

[Charles Henrickson]

Mollie Ziegler Hemingway has been a friend of mine for probably close to ten years. In fact, Mollie was the one who first told me about Free Republic! That was back in November 2000, after I had just written a parody about the recount called "The Palm Beach Pokey," and Mollie told me it was getting a lot of attention on a site called "Free Republic." That's how I became a Freeper! (I don't know if Mollie is herself a registered Freeper or, if she is, what her screen name is.)

Mollie is the daugher of an LCMS pastor, and her husband, Mark Hemingway, writes for National Review Online (many of his columns have been posted here).

Mollie Z. Hemingway and I (Charles Henrickson) both have blogs--on the battle for confessional Lutheranism within the Missouri Synod--at the Brothers of John the Steadfast website, steadfastlutherans.org.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

You’re a slow learner. Mr. CGG and I left more than 15 years ago!! :)

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

I think it was lightman who sent me a link to your blog. Thank you. I shared it with our pastor.

[Charles Henrickson]

that still doesn’t deny the fact that she is...Not Guilty!

Yes, Mollie, if you are reading this, you are . . . NOT GUILTY! ;^)

[Charles Henrickson]

Thought an ELCA apostate would appreciate this!

I'm not exactly an ELCA apostate, because I left an ELCA-predecessor body before there was an ELCA! As a kid in Chicago, I was a member of the old Swedish Augustana Synod, but so many of the Swedes were moving out to the suburbs in those days, and we lived in the city. So when our little neighborhood Augustana congregation disbanded, we joined a nearby LCMS congregation.

[Arrowhead1952]

Thanks for the pings. We were discussing this very topic about the question why Tiller was not excommunicated by his church. This is not being reported by the SRM. He WAS excommunicated by the LCMS.

BTW Charles, I shared this link with many of our members and I got a number of positive comments. Thanks again.

http://www.issuesetc.org/ondemand.html

[Charles Henrickson]

Issues Etc. is a great site, and they are all over these type of stories, where politics and religion intersect. (BTW, Issues Etc. is another area where Mollie has devoted her considerable energies. She and I both were involved in organizing the demonstration outside LCMS headquarters in support of Issues, and we each have been on the program a number of times.)

[SoCalPol]

re Tiller, Glad to see again the difference between ELCA & LCMS brought up.

I knew Tiller could not have been LCMS and still doing his dirt.

[Charles Henrickson]

Wichita, Kansas, was the home of TWO serial killers who had at one time been LCMS but later became members in good standing of ELCA congegations: Dennis “BTK Killer” Rader and George “Tiller the Killer” Tiller. At least the ELCA church where BTK was a member didn’t know about his penchant for murder.

[bcsco]

Wichita, Kansas, was the home of TWO serial killers...

Wichita needs another Wyatt Earp in town...

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[Arrowhead1952]

I sent an email to the adult Bible study group about Tiller having the Chaplin at his clinic and baptizing the aborted babies. I got back some replies I didn't expect. The were horrified when I talked about that in class yesterday morning.

[Charles Henrickson]

Two publicly-known abortion-supporting politicians, Sen. Paul Simon and Gov. Jesse Ventura, were members of LCMS congregations. I don't think Simon's congregation did anything to discipline him, but I do think the pastor at Ventura's church did.

Also, I seem to recall that a serial killer by the name of John List may have been a member of an LCMS church.

Sin and Satan know no boundaries, but where open impenitent sin is publicly known, church discipline should be exercised.

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

where open impenitent sin is publicly known, church discipline should be exercised

Thus endeth the "choir-specific" portion of Pastor's sermon.

[bcsco]

Also, I seem to recall that a serial killer by the name of John List may have been a member of an LCMS church.

I'd heard List was a Lutheran, but don't recall hearing which church he belonged to.

And I'm not sure he's properly classified as a serial killer. He murdered his family, but I don't recall his ever having killed anyone else. While this qualifies as a miltiple murderer, I don't believe this qualifies as the serial type.

Also, he was on the run for a number of years. What I know comes from an old TV program so may not be that accurate.

OTOH, John Wesley Hardin was a Methodist, I believe (note the first and middle names). He was one of the most prolific killers of the 19th Century. What does that tell us about Methodists (just kidding, folks...)?