Again I would like to bring out some points which I feel can easily be over looked.
The supper as described in St.John 13:1,2 was a common or an anticapatory Passover meal as described ‘before the feast’ and it may have started on the late evening of Nisan 13th in the twelve hour and was carried on over to the beginning of Nisan 14th which began the night time first watch for that day.
However, Passover Seders were reserved and observed strictly at night time at ‘even’ where the ending of Nisan 14th met the beginning of Nisan 15th. This was the time where 3 stars could be visually observed in the sky as a sign to people who wore no wrist watches.The roasted lamb was then to be eaten with unleavened bread (i.e. Exodus 12:8) in comemmoration of the ancestral Israelite’s departure for freedom in Moses time.
There are some differences I would like to point out between the common meal description of St. John and the meal descriptions from the other three gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke which we shall refer to as the Synoptics. The vast majority of thinkers have associated the meal setting of St. John to the same moment of time for the Synoptics but here I fail to differ. I believe that St. John is describing a common meal around the end of Nisan 13th and the Synoptics are describing a true Passover Seder on the beginning of Nisan 15th. The synoptics show that there was a formal preparation being made following Jesus instructions to the disciples (i.e. Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12, Luke 22:7) to go into the city of Jerusalem and reserve a room for the Passover Seder to be held on the ‘first day of unleavened bread’. It shows later that they did meet at ‘even’ when the (designated) hour came and did sit to eat the Passover (i.e.Matthew 26:19, 20, 21.; Mark 14:16, 17, 18.; Luke 22:13, 14, 15). There the Seder proponents were directed by our Lord such as the grace blessing, the breaking of the loaf, the supping of the cup, the singing of the hym all of which were prevalent rituals on a ceremonial high day occasion.
Little of these significant details are mentioned in St. John chapter 13. There they ate a common meal exercised cermonial un-cleanliness (foot washing) in preparation or anticipation of the Passover feast to follow.
The verse at St.John 18:28 “they themselves went not into the judgement hall, less they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.” KJV would not likely be a concern to them on a Nisan 14th.
However this moment could pertain to a later time on the early morning of Nisan 15 where priestly ritual cleanliness would be a ceremonial concern to them for not risking any disqualification in keeping their on going Passover proceedures.
Again I refer to ‘the preparation of the Passover’ where the word ‘Passover’ was exercised as a loose term as mentioned by Josephus. This could imply to any preparation day prior to any weekend Sabbath or of any of the 2 High Sabbaths within the Passover feast period. Therefore in my opinion it commonly gets suited to one’s own preferred preferrence of hypothesis in regards to these matters.
Oh yea ‘Diegol618’ you never told us on what day of the week you believe the crucifixion to have occurred? As well what day did Pentecost occur in your frame of chronology?
most appreciated - Pmary65
It is my understanding from scripture that the meal began early in the evening of the 14th (Passover Preparation Day)....shortly after sundown of the 13th [Leviticus 23:5]. The Day of Preparation in itself was not part of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and this is what the disciples were going to do.....prepare for the Passover [Matthew 26:17][Mark 14:12][Luke 22:7]. The Feast of Unleavened (Passover Meal) begins on the night of the 15th [Leviticus 23:6] and the observance of Unleavened continues (for seven days) until the 21st.
The vast majority of thinkers have associated the meal setting of St. John to the same moment of time for the Synoptics but here I fail to (differ)(Do you mean "Fail to Agree?"). I believe that St. John is describing a common meal around the end of Nisan 13th and the Synoptics are describing a true Passover Seder on the beginning of Nisan 15th. The synoptics show that there was a formal preparation being made following Jesus instructions to the disciples (i.e. Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12, Luke 22:7) to go into the city of Jerusalem and reserve a room for the Passover Seder to be held on the ‘first day of unleavened bread’.
Many folks have the understanding that the synoptics are describing a Seder. Here is how they are wrong:
KJV [Matthew 26:17] King James Version 26:17 Now the first [day] of the [feast of] unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? The bracketed words are not in the original. It was not the first day of the Feast. It was the preparation day (the 14th) which was sometimes referred to as the first day of the entire eight day observance.
The disciples could not have been asking Him these words.......close to sundown on the 14th as He was already dead by 3:00 P.M. (Between the Evenings/ post #39) and Joseph was hurriedly preparing for His burial before the sun set.
KJV [Mark 14:12] 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover (Preparation Day, the 14th) [Leviticus 23:5], his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? Mark, now agrees with Matthew.....in the fact that it was not the first day of the Feast.....but preparation day instead.
KJV [Luke 22:7] 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. [Leviticus 23:5]....the 14th....the day of preparation. Luke Agrees with Matthew and Mark. It was the day the Passover must be killed....the 14th....preparation day.
Luke....verses [8-9] 8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. 9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
[Matthew 26:26] Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus: esqiontwn de autwn labwn o ihsouV ton arton kai euloghsas eklasen kai edidou toiV maqhtaiV kai eipen labete fagete touto estin to swma mou: From my post # 42 ARTON is not unleavened bread....it is regular bread.
[Mark 14:22] kai esqiontwn autwn labwn o ihsous arton euloghsaV eklasen kai edwken autoiV kai eipen labete fagete touto estin to swma mou Again....Mark, like Matthew...... shows the bread to be regular bread....not unleavened.
[Luke 22:19] kai labwn arton eucaristhsaV eklasen kai edwken autoiV legwn touto estin to swma mou to uper umwn didomenon touto poieite eiV thn emhn anamnhsin ........... As does Luke.
Oh yea, ‘Diegol618’ you never told us on what day of the week you believe the crucifixion to have occurred? As well what day did Pentecost occur in your frame of chronology? most appreciated - Pmary65
The crucifixion occurred on Wednesday, Nisan 14, 30 A.D. Pentecost was 50 days later on Friday, Sivan 6.