Posted on 05/30/2009 7:58:11 PM PDT by Colofornian
SALT LAKE CITY -- Armed assailants attack and rob a Latter-day Saint Apostle, his wife and two other couples in the African nation of Mozambique. Elder Russell M. Nelson and his wife, Wendy, were on a Church assignment when the incident happened.
According to Church spokesman Scott Trotter, the wife of the mission President Blair Packard suffered a broken arm. She and others also have cuts and bruises.
Elder William and Sister Shanna Parmley of the Africa Southeast Area Presidency. Elder and Sister Nelson traveled to Mozambique for these weekend meetings with Church leaders there; Elder William and Sister Shanna Parmley of the Africa Southeast Area Presidency, and Pres. Blair and Sister Cindy Packard; he is the President of the Mozambique Maputo Mission.
The country is located in the southeastern part of the African continent on the Indian Ocean; Maputo is the Capitol.
Pres. Blair and Sister Cindy Packard; he is the President of the Mozambique Maputo Mission. The Church Statement says: "On Friday evening they were having dinner together in the mission president's home when armed assailants entered the home and robbed them. We don't have complete information yet, but we understand that Sister Packard's arm was broken. In addition, she and others suffered some superficial injuries, mainly cuts and bruises. Elder and Sister Nelson will continue their assignment over the weekend as planned."
The Church statement also includes information that authorities in that city are investigating the matter.
Former missionaries to Mozambique who we talked with Saturday tell us that they were warned to always be cautious and told about the dangers of life in that African nation.
You really think he wrote it all down? Wow. What about those letters that are lost or destroyed? They don’t count?
a. I already answered that.
b. I wish you protesters would make up your minds about that. There must be fifty different takes on that from fifty different anti-mormons on this site. What did you do, make up your own religion?
c. You need to take the blinders off and reread the New Testament.
d. LDS got the point, but you certainly did not.
See 125. A truly American Conservative position is that any man has the absolute God-given right to defend himself and his family. If you believe otherwise, you really do belong on Democrat Underground.
a. No you did not. So, let’s try again. Do you care what someone’s religion is or is preaching the LDS gospel just one more “to do” to get to the CK? I for one DO care what someone’s faith is, especially if it is in a “church” not Christ. Preaching the Gosepl is a JOY and labor of love, NEVER EVER EVER a chore like the LDS make it out to be.
b. Christ created my faith, not man. My view is biblical.
c. I know the NT far better than you and you are the one with blinders on. LDS blinders.
d. LDS TOTALLY miss the point. They turn Christ into a Loan Shark rather than a Savior.
Dear Reaganaut,
While we are both on this earth, we will probably never agree. I do not care to make a lifelong enemy. It is pointless, I have enough to last me. Let us agree to disagree because I really do not care to have any more harsh words with you.
Let us have peace between us
OMM
Strawman.
I didn’t say anything about politics, the law, or America.
That was about Scripture and what Jesus has to say about those who are your enemies, which that alma stuff contradicts.
Anything that goes against the teachings of Jesus, can’t be of God because God can’t contradict Himself.
What letters?
If they were lost or destroyed, then how does anyone know that they existed?
The only gospel Paul knew was what happened before he wrote Galatians.
He said then that if anyone preaches a different gospel than that, they are condemned.
As far as what may or may not have been *lost* or *destroyed*, well, there’d be no way of knowing what was in them.
So, at that rate, I could claim some divine revelation in a vision, written on tablets that nobody but I have seen, and then start a religion promising that everyone who follows me will become gods of their own planets.
It would, however, be another different gospel than what Paul preached and he’s pretty clear about what should happen them.
John 10:28, 29
“I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.”
No one does anything to deserve or earn salvation. No one does anything to lose it - all sins were covered by the Blood of Christ. All sins. Our failures are not stronger than the grip of the Savior or the grip of the Father.
blessings,
ampu
Good point and I agree for the most part.
My problem is with those who completely turn their backs on Christ, reject Him, condemen Him. I know 2 people in particular, one who may have never had a saving faith, but one who did, who later rejected Christ. Rejection of Christ means one is no longer His follower, no longer believes.
Matthew 12:31-32 says, “And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”
So, you are a Paulean? All Paul and nothing else?
Dear reaganaut,
There will be people who were not
believers who fall by the wayside.
Christ said there would be.
Those who are saved will be preserved.
The only way you can blaspheme
the Holy Spirit today is to reject
Christ’s gracious gift - the greatest work.
“...He is able to guard what I have
entrusted to Him until that day.”
Salvation never depended on your efforts,
your faithfulness, or your works.
To believe so is to misunderstand the value
of the Only Son of God’s sacrifice. There
is not a single sin you could commit that
was not covered by His blood 2,000 years ago
- even the sin Peter committed three times
in one night, denying Him.
The believer’s weakness is not unexpected
to the Savior. He is not surprised by weakness
or sin. He is drawn to it.
If it depends at all on your hold on Him,
not only won’t you be saved, but no one
could be saved. Thankfully, it depends
on His hold on each of his own.
You are inside the Saviors hand, wrapped
inside God the Father’s hand!
Rest there.
Let His life flow through you to bear
His fruit. Rest in the acceptance you
have “in the Beloved”. You could never
be accepted based on anything you could
do or not do. The acceptance of the believer
rests entirely on the work of Christ.
Can you break your fellowship with God through
sin? Yes. Repent and turn back to all He has
done for you. You will find the same acceptance
waiting there.
This is, after all, not mormonism or any other
system of worthless works. It is true Christianity.
Accept no substitutes.
best,
ampu
Jesus NEVER said “do not defend your family”.
you have freepmail
Dear OMM,
I pray that we may someday agree. I have never considered you an enemy. In fact, I really like you (crankiness and all) and consider you a FRiend. I do not wish harshness between us either. Christ is not glorified by insults and harsh words and I seek nothing else but to glorify Him and Him alone.
The reason I keep asking about if you care about someone else’s belief or if missionary work is a duty alone, is because I am actually very curious how you reconcile those two (not caring and the Church view on missionary work).
When I was LDS, I did care what religion people were, that is why I wanted to serve a mission, but I also saw it as a duty. Now, I am even more in love with missionary work than I was then and now it is just a joy.
Salvation is not based upon what we DO, it is based upon what we BELIEVE (trusting in Christ alone to save us).
If we do not believe, we are not saved.
Missionary work is only work to someone that doesn’t like it. I am happy to be doing it.
I cannot control what other people believe, only what I believe. Not everyone will return home. That is just the way it is.
My best friend is a Presbyterian, sort of. I care about him but I cannot get him into the tank for anything. So I am going to try to outlive him. But I also know that he is a good man who loves the Lord so his chances seem pretty good to me.
My son will be home from his mission on July 3 and I am so looking forward to seeing him. Maybe he will be of some help in my leather shop until he goes to college. It sure would be fun.
I hate nobody but then again, I’m not going to stand by and take a load of crap from the protester minority that thinks their way to heaven is to dish bovine excrement out to LDS people.
My ideal would be to have a cabin by the side of the road and be a friend to all mankind who passed my door. Ain’t gonna happen, but I can dream.
Missionary work is only work to someone that doesn’t like it. I am happy to be doing it.(snip)
I’m not going to stand by and take a load of crap from the protester minority that thinks their way to heaven is to dish bovine excrement out to LDS people.
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So, contrary to your earlier post, you DO care what people believe. LOL. I thought so.
And again with the insults, OMM, I doubt Christ would approve.
Contrary to what you claim, Protestants are not the minority here, nor do they believe or teach the way to heaven has nothing to do dishing out BE to the LDS. The way to heaven is CHRIST alone, no “church” will save you. Your anger and hatred of us bible-based Christians is truly sad.
People usually get farther in witnessing if they can ACTUALLY defend their faith, not just spew out hatred, accusations, and insults. Take a lesson, OMM.
And I am not giving up on you yet. :)
I pray that you will come home to Christ and trust Him ALONE for your salvation, not works, and certainly NOT the LDS Org.
And before you say “same to you”, I could NEVER return to the LDS church. I have found Joy and security in the Lord Jesus Christ that the LDS church can NEVER give. Once you truly have the Lord in your life, and trust him alone to save you by grace through faith, there is no going back to the LDS.
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