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To: Terabitten; HarriedHarry

Gentleman’s answer, but consider...if a person disavows predestination because he believes that he, and he alone, decides where he will spend eternity, an enormous statement has just been made about Who he believes God is. He is also stating a lot about how to understand the Scriptures. Finally, he is teaching much about how salvation works and who may, or may not, be saved.

Slight alteration: If you are 100% right, Harry may still be in heaven and you may not be. Or, you may be and Harry may not be. Or, you both may be.

If Harry is 100% right, Harry will be in heaven, and you may not be. Or, you both may be.

But, if you are right, Harry is teaching that people control their own destiny...hardly a “a family disagreement.”


11 posted on 05/27/2009 2:32:57 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

If a person avows predestination because they believe they have no control on their destiny, Jesus’ ministry becomes a charade. And responsibility only a word.


15 posted on 05/27/2009 5:25:23 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dutchboy88; Terabitten; HarriedHarry
But, if you are right, Harry is teaching that people control their own destiny...hardly a “a family disagreement.”

Very good answer. God has taken the time and trouble to revealed Himself to us through His scriptures. How we understand God and who He is significantly affects our relationship and our salvation. There were some who thought they were doing the "right things" for God yet our Lord Jesus said, "I never knew you..". There were other false prophets who believed they were talking for God and yet never were. And then there were great men of faith like Joshua who was plainly told that he had a poor understanding of God in which he repented. (Jos 5:13-15)

God requires us to have a right understanding of Himself and He has given us His Spirit to lead us to all truth. Our failings of obtaining this right understanding is due to the hardness of our hearts, nothing else. To disagree is simply to water down God's message. Rather we should be sharpening one another.

16 posted on 05/27/2009 5:42:15 PM PDT by HarleyD
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