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Posted on 05/21/2009 9:02:04 PM PDT by GonzoII
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To: HeavensGate27
"You gotta love Salza - concise, accurate and to the point. I enjoyed The Biblical Basis for the Eucharist." He sure makes things easy.
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posted on
05/22/2009 1:55:10 AM PDT
by
GonzoII
("That they may be one...Father")
To: GonzoII
1Tm:3:15: "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth., "
Once again, the Church of God is not an organization of men, regulated, organized, and managed by men. The Church of God are those whose hearts and lives have been redeemed by the Blood of Christ.
To: GonzoII
Nothing is personal, we are discussing truths.
I think most rational reasoning men and women would disagree with you on that.
The scripture support for the positions stated by the author are weak or non-existant or taken out of context.
Furthermore, the reliance on the traditions of men as the edicts of God without any clear scriptural support are the main contention of Protestants.
The deification of Mary
The praying to Mary as if she had any power with Jesus above any other redemeed sinner
The deification of Saints and prayers to the them when Jesus should be the sole receiver of our prayers and the sole receiver of our faith.
Purgatory, for which there is no clear, in context support for.
The ability to pray somebody out of purgatory for which ther is no scripture support.
The lack of power and victory over sin in Catholic Teaching and the need to come regularly and confess your sins to a Priest when Christ died once and for all for your sins, not only to forgive you but to change your very heart and give you power over the sin in your life.
It is as if the Catholic church backslid into the Old Testament ceremonial continual sacrificial law which Christ came to deliver not only the Jews, but all of Mankind from.
It would seem that when Paul confronted Peter and the other apostles for dissassembling with the Jews after Jesus had gone back to Heaven that instead of heading Paul's advice, some of those people decided that the practices and traditions of men were more important than the freedom from Sin that came from relying solely on the Blood of Christ. It would appear that these same group of people became the Catholic Church.
Christ came to free men from unnecessary and non-production reliance on the traditions of fallible men.
The Catholic Church has retained all of the form of Godliness, without the Power. The Catholic Church has retained a reliance on all of the traditions of the church without the SOLE reliance on a Christ who died for them on Calvary. As a result, much like the Jews and the heathens (as Paul explained in his books) God has removed his blessing from the Catholic Church and given it to whomsoever will obey his word and rely solely on the merits of Christ's sacrifice on Calvary for their salvation.
To: GonzoII
Here we go again. More Christians using the whole armor of God to attack each other.
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posted on
05/22/2009 7:23:52 AM PDT
by
Terabitten
(Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
To: GonzoII
I’m not sure where the true church, founded by Christ and the desciples exists today. One thing is clear to me, it is not located in the vatican.
To: GonzoII; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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posted on
05/22/2009 4:07:44 PM PDT
by
narses
(http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
To: GonzoII
Thank you for the ping. It is about time to take my name off of your ping list. Thank you ...
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posted on
05/22/2009 4:14:23 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
To: GonzoII
Very good catechisis, thanks for posting.
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posted on
05/22/2009 4:22:25 PM PDT
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: MHGinTN
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posted on
05/22/2009 9:23:01 PM PDT
by
GonzoII
("That they may be one...Father")
To: nightwalker
"Im not sure where the true church, founded by Christ and the desciples exists today. One thing is clear to me, it is not located in the vatican."
What is the History of Your Church?
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Church |
Year Established |
Founder |
Where Established |
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Catholic |
33 |
Jesus Christ |
Jerusalem |
|
Orthodox |
1054 |
Schismatic Catholic Bishops |
Constantinople |
|
Lutheran |
1517 |
Martin Luther |
Germany |
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Anabaptist |
1521 |
Nicholas Storch & Thomas Munzer |
Germany |
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Anglican |
1534 |
Henry VIII |
England |
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Mennonites |
1536 |
Menno Simons |
Switzerland |
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Calvinist |
1555 |
John Calvin |
Switzerland |
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Presbyterian |
1560 |
John Knox |
Scotland |
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Congregational |
1582 |
Robert Brown |
Holland |
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Baptist |
1609 |
John Smyth |
Amsterdam |
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Dutch Reformed |
1628 |
Michaelis Jones |
New York |
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Congregationalist |
1648 |
Pilgrims and Puritans |
Massachusetts |
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Quakers |
1649 |
George Fox |
England |
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Amish |
1693 |
Jacob Amman |
France |
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Freemasons |
1717 |
Masons from four lodges |
London |
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Methodist |
1739 |
John & Charles Wesley |
England |
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Unitarian |
1774 |
Theophilus Lindey |
London |
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Methodist Episcopal |
1784 |
60 Preachers |
Baltimore, MD |
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Episcopalian |
1789 |
Samuel Seabury |
American Colonies |
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United Brethren |
1800 |
Philip Otterbein & Martin Boehn |
Maryland |
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Disciples of Christ |
1827 |
Thomas & Alexander Campbell |
Kentucky |
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Mormon |
1830 |
Joseph Smith |
New York |
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Methodist Protestant |
1830 |
Methodist |
United States |
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Church of Christ |
1836 |
Warren Stone & Alexander Campbell |
Kentucky |
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Seventh Day Adventist |
1844 |
Ellen White |
Washington, NH |
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Christadelphian (Brethren of Christ |
1844 |
John Thomas |
Richmond, VA |
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Salvation Army |
1865 |
William Booth |
London |
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Holiness |
1867 |
Methodist |
United States |
|
Jehovah's Witnesses |
1874 |
Charles Taze Russell |
Pennsylvania |
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Christian Science |
1879 |
Mary Baker Eddy |
Boston |
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Church of God in Christ |
1895 |
Various churches of God |
Arkansas |
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Church of Nazarene |
c. 1850-1900 |
Various religious bodies |
Pilot Point, TX |
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Pentecstal |
1901 |
Charles F. Parkham |
Topeka, KS |
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Aglipayan |
1902 |
Gregorio Aglipay |
Philippines |
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Assemblies of God |
1914 |
Pentecostalism |
Hot Springs, AZ |
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Iglesia ni Christo |
1914 |
Felix Manalo |
Philippines |
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Four-square Gospel |
1917 |
Aimee Semple McPherson |
Los Angeles, CA |
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United Church of Christ |
1961 |
Reformed and Congregationalist |
Philadelphia, PA |
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Calvary Chapel |
1965 |
Chuck Smith |
Costa Mesa, CA |
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United Methodist |
1968 |
Methodist and United Brethren |
Dallas, TX |
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Born-again |
c. 1970s |
Various religious bodies |
United States |
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Harvest Christian |
1972 |
Greg Laurie |
Riverside, CA |
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Saddleback |
1982 |
Rick Warren |
California |
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Non-denominational |
c. 1990s |
various |
United States |
Top |
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posted on
05/23/2009 2:07:35 AM PDT
by
GonzoII
("That they may be one...Father")
To: annalex
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posted on
05/23/2009 2:13:26 AM PDT
by
GonzoII
("That they may be one...Father")
To: SWAMPSNIPER
Where is mass described in the scriptures?
SEE HERE FOR SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES TO THE MASS
Also, the entire Book of Revelations is a description of the Heavenly Liturgy which is mirrored by the Catholic Mass, which has the same liturgical structure. See Scott Hahn's
The Lamb's Supper.
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posted on
07/18/2009 10:44:34 AM PDT
by
bdeaner
(The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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