You asked for “a clearly different and unique species that is not identifiable as the original parent organism”. Wolves to chihuahuas seemed to fit the bill. I’m not sure how that point could be lost to you?
If it doesn’t fit the bill, I’d be curious why - considering that they are far more divergent morphologically than apes and humans.
“Sheesh, creationists use the same system of classification as scientists and they’re criticized for it. There’s nothing a creationist can do that’s ever right for an evo.”
I’m rather confused here. I didn’t criticize for using the same classification system - I didn’t bring up traditional taxonomy at all - “kind” is not a taxonomic term.
Creationists usually use “kind” to mean a group with a common ancestor. It’s a word from Genesis.
I was simply pointing out that despite the great degree of difference between wolves and chihuahuas, Creationists typically believe they are related (i.e, are in the same “kind”). You seemed to equate genus with kind, but they don’t really equate at all (at least not from what I’ve seen).
Only if someone is so desperate that they want to *prove* evolution occurred.
No, wolves to chihuahuas do not fit the bill. They're both dogs and interbreed can freely if physical limitations were not an issue. Varieties of animals do not demonstrate evolution, only variation WITHIN species.
Creationists usually use “kind” to mean a group with a common ancestor. It’s a word from Genesis.
I know what it is and how it's used. It's more like the classification of *family* that taxonomists use.
You seemed to equate genus with kind, but they don’t really equate at all (at least not from what I’ve seen).
It's also interesting that evos focus on what supports them the best. Look at appearance and ignore genetics when it's convenient, or focus on genetics and ignore appearance another time.
Evos claim that the definition of species are organisms that can't interbreed and that is NOT true of any of the members of the dog family. They are all genetically capable of interbreeding even if size is a factor in preventing that. Genetically they are not separate species then.
If evos are going to be able to demonstrate the kind of change that they say happened to result in variety of life we see today, they need to demonstrate more than variation within species. They need to show the kind of change that results in animals that can't interbreed, the kind of change the results in distinct species like the difference between cats and dogs, not just deformed fruit flies or bacteria with different appetites than their ancestors.