Posted on 05/20/2009 1:02:00 PM PDT by Salvation
“Which Council are you referring to with Antioch?”
There was a council in about 325-330 (not the semi Arian council in the 340s) which among other things passed a number of disciplinary canons one of which forbade bishops to meddle in the affairs of other bishops outside of synods and councils. Its pretty clear this canon (the 9th I think)influenced the Fathers at the 2nd Ecumenical Council and subsequent local and ecumenical ones.
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The Notre Dame podcast has the audio of all the interviews Hubby did on the street with the witnesses and his sense of what was going on. If it means anything, I was very proud of this pod-cast. I found Hubby's comments insightful and he has always been a strong apologist for the faith. I don't usually listen to all of them, but I found everything on this one from the bagpipes to the end excellent work. I think you'll enjoy it.
Let's see where the American bishops went beyond commentary and crossed into demands. I agree that that would violate some canons, as well as common sense. Kolokotronis's accusations were very broad; if he is willing to narrow them to some specific cases, I'll listen.
I realize that what bishop d'Arcy can do is limited, just like you describe. He should, in my opinion, rescind the Catohlic designation from the university, and the USCCB should in due course strengthen and clarify their satement about honoring anti-Catholics, and attach penalties to it.
Regarding so-called anti-abortionism, which canon is it that prohibits concentrating on this particular issue?
“Regarding so-called anti-abortionism, which canon is it that prohibits concentrating on this particular issue?”
Canon? Don’t tell me the Latin Church now has an “anything goes” method of theology unless there’s a specific canon which forbids something!
And Alex, the enemy of God, the heretic Martino doesn’t speak of “concentrating”, he says anti-abortionism is the ultimate consideration, an issue which trumps all others (I suppose like the nature of Christ or the Trinity or whether or not Panagia is the Theotokos or the Pope is infallible, the Real Presence in the sacrament on the altar table, etc.) in the lives of Roman Catholics.
I just want to clarify what is what. So, Martino is not in violation of canons? Good to know.
Now, where did Martino say that anti-abortionism trumps “the nature of Christ or the Trinity or whether or not Panagia is the Theotokos or the Pope is infallible, the Real Presence in the sacrament on the altar table, etc”?
***Regarding so-called anti-abortionism, which canon is it that prohibits concentrating on this particular issue?***
This might help. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2255835/posts?page=93#93
http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/05/11/top_stories/doc4a07a2cc8833b247412288.txt says that: Archbishop Condemns Notre Dame At Prayer Breakfast
By JOHN P. CONNOLLY, The Bulletin
Monday, May 11, 2009
Washington — A high-ranking Vatican official has condemned the University of Notre Dame for hosting President Barack Obama at its May 17 commencement, calling it a “scandal,” becoming the latest Catholic bishop to condemn the invitation.
Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Catholic Church’s highest court, the Apostolic Signatura, and former archbishop of St. Louis, made his comments Friday to the approximately 2,000 Catholics who gathered in Washington, D.C. for the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast.
“The proposed granting of an honorary doctorate at Notre Dame University to our president, who is so aggressively advancing an anti-life and anti-family agenda, is rightly the source of the greatest scandal,” he said during his keynote address.
And what does the Catechism say about scandal???
Appreciate the ping.
Thanks.
Martino's use of the word "issue" was in reference to issues of politics, not theology or cannon. As a result, Martino did not say what you claim he did. Alex has pointed this out to you before.
I don’t understand the point you are making.
***I don’t understand the point you are making.***
The wording in the Catechism against abortion is very similar to that of scandal. I object to those in post Vatican II in which the bishops reduced the USCCB to a single topic - social justice - and this same body appears to have switched to another single topic - abortion. The mindset is still screwed up; only the topic has changed.
The Faith is the Faith; the substitution of one dish in the cafeteria for another is still all screwed up. Where is the outrage against IVF? This process kill tens or hundreds of children for every one that is born. Where is the outrage against all the sins outlined in the Catechism AHEAD of abortion? To simply ignore them is to be no better than the flower children, Wiccan nuns and liberation priests who were the face of the Church in the 60s and 70s.
Yes, but the five non-negotiables: abortion, euthanasia, human cloning, gay marriage and artificial insemination — are also hot political issues which open up occasion of sin for all voters. Of these, abortion and euthanasia are also objectively crimes as well as sin, and abortion is committed in horrendous numbers. The focus is justifiable, and is, in fact, welcome.
I agree that USCCB is overall a very poorly functioning synod of the American Church, but of all things that is one thing they are doing right, and I would not fault them for that.
At any rate, it is not a matter of heresy, but at worst, poor stewardship. I object to characterizing it as heresy.
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