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To: Star Traveler

Israel no more lives in “apartheid” as do the damned arabs in their so-called countries. As for the philistinians, preferably kill these islamists en masse and kick the rest of them out of the country.

But they’ll just continue to be cowed, predominantly of and by themselves.


6 posted on 05/14/2009 9:14:37 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Well, at the present time, for the land that Israel allocates to itself (versus the land that they are allocating to the Palestinians for a state for themselves) — they are not an apartheid state.

I say that, because right now, non-Jews who live in the state of Israel, have been given full citizenship rights (not talking about Palestinians and their areas, now...). Thus, it’s not apartheid. They have a vote, they can put their members in the Knesset and they do have representation.

But, that wasn’t what I was talking about. I was talking about the one-state solution versus the two-state solution. For those who decry the two-state solution, they have (at that point) the “one-state solution” — and that is where you run into the apartheid problem.

You see, if you give all the non-Jews in a “one-state solution” citizenship (all those Palestinians you see now who are not citizens, currently, but are in the P.A. controlled areas) — then with the demographics, they can vote out “Jewish representation” and take over the state of Israel by their sheer demographics.

And the Jews know that, and so they *know* they *cannot* give the Palestinians full representation and citizenship in a “State of Israel” which is “for the Jews” — or else — the State of Israel will cease to exist as a political entity as the Palestinians will vote the Jews out of office and take over the country (again, by their sheer demographics).

So, the Jews would be forced to *not give* the Palestinians citizenship and make a “one-state solution” an “apartheid state” in order to keep the State of Israel as a nation for the Jews.

That’s the problem.

So, again, I say, Israel has a real problem here — a one-state solution (makes an apartheid state or it disappears as Israel) and/or a two-state solution and you’re “dividing the land” — something that God said that Israel (and anyone else) should not do.

Do you see the problem and how an “apartheid state” comes into the picture?


7 posted on 05/14/2009 9:29:34 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: onedoug

Oh, and one more thing about one particular statement you made — to show you what the “problem” is and how it’s been created and *maintained* over the years....

You said, in part — “... and kick the rest of them out of the country.

Here’s the problem with that. You can’t kick someone out of your country if there’s not a corresponding place to kick them “into another country”.... LOL...

Now..., I know that many people think that the other Arab countries should take these people in — but realize — they have refused to do so for decade-upon-decade, and for a good reason.

It’s not that they couldn’t do so, but that they have made it a “political bombshell” for Israel.

If they don’t take them, and if no one else takes them (and no one else wants to; and we sure don’t here in the United States, either... LOL...) — then Israel is *forced* to keep them regardless of anything else.

So, you either incorporate all those Palestinians into *one-state* of Israel and make them all citizens, or you make them non-citizens and create an “apartheid state” or you make a “two-state solution” and thus keep the Palestinians in their own state (that Israel makes from giving away their own land...).

I hope you see the real problem here and how the surrounding Arab countries make it an *impossible situation* for Israel by *refusing* to take any Palestinian into their own land and country. And also no other country in the world wants the Palestinians either — so Israel is *stuck* with them, regardless of what you think of the Palestinians.

Do you see the problem here?


8 posted on 05/14/2009 9:35:54 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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