Posted on 05/08/2009 10:50:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
....For bishops, "there are two different approaches'' to bring Catholic politicians in line with Church teaching. "One is the pastoral, teaching mode, and the other is the canonical approach'' the legal approach, in other words. He doesn't think it's a very close call: "I have yet to see where the canonical approach has changed anyone's heart.''
Has he seen his approach change anyone's heart? He smiles, and says one has to take the long view: "The teaching approach that we've used for centuries requires patience, persistence and insistence, but I believe if we teach our people, we will not have a problem with our politicians.''
Of Pelosi in particular, he cites two big reasons he hasn't and won't try to keep her from receiving Communion:
First, "there's a question about whether this canon'' the relevant church law "was ever intended to be used'' to bring politicians to heel. He thinks not. "I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon was never intended to be used this way.''
That’s ok. She probably does even go to church anyway.
He's confusing abortion with politics.
Just what would it take to make you angry at a liberal Democrat, Excellency?
Then the famously mild
Too mild by half.
Wuerl goes all fire and brimstone on me in his smiling, bookish way: "In his circles of Hell, Dante places the people with sins of passion at the very brim barely burned. But at the core are those who sinned against the truth.''
Wrong. Completely and absolutely wrong.
Dante places at the very core of hell those who are traitors against their masters. At the center is Satan (traitor against God), who eternally chews Judas (traitor against Christ), Brutus, and Cassius (traitors against Caesar).
Ringed around them in the lowest circle are the traitors against their guests, traitors against their country, and traitors against their family.
Pro-abortion Catholics are traitors.
Decency, what does this man know of decency? So the Catholic church having standards is “bringing politicians to heel”
This is one complaint that many Protestants have about Catholics or at least their priests. They are just too into their own convenience when it comes to Catholic beliefs. Rigid is not good either, but standards!!!! There has to be SOME line doesn’t there?
As for the Archbishop not knowing if the canon should be applied to our political lives, he may want want to bring that up with his boss.
Jesus' biggest in-your-face confrontations during His ministry on this earth were not with the "sinners". They were with the religious/political leaders in Jerusalem.
“Pro-abortion Catholics are traitors.”
They were of the opinion during the general election that the question of abortion should be relegated to second place because there are “more important issues than abortion”.
Well, it’s all about the peace and justice, right?
Freegards
It was a competent piece of journalism. But I'll wager that Ms. Henneberger did not recognize the "Roman Diplomatic Shuffle" she was treated to in this interview.
In addition to not knowing her Dante, the poor woman is obviously not familiar with latinate circumlocution, obfuscation, and biblical quotational prestidigitation. I am surprised wily old Wuerl didn't spring the old "Principle of Double Effect," on the charmingly naive reporterette.
Yes, I think Wuerl is long overdue for his transfer to Rome ... of the 1940's. When important cardinals and archbishops are driven about Rome in their limos, the natives say the "SCV" on the license plate stands for "Se Cristo Vedesse," which means "If only Jesus could see this!"
I’d like to see even one of these “pro-choice catholic” politicians who has responded to the non-confrontational approach by the clergy with repentence and repudiation of abortion...
I often think that many these wimpy bishops are desperately needed in Antarctica.
Freegards
I think, when Pelosi or someone like her is allowed to receive communion in a particular parish, Catholics should begin to shun that church, and attach to the nearest telephone pole an explanation why.
Hopefully, Benedict XV1 won’t promote him to Cardinal!
“What in the world were these bishops talking about, claiming that religious freedom in America was under attack? Keep up the hysterics, boys, I thought as I scanned the latest story, and this will be birth control all over again: Your lips are moving but no one can hear you. And the most ludicrous line out of them, surely, was about how, under Obama, Catholic hospitals that provide obstetric and gynecological services might soon be forced to perform abortions or close their doors.”
http://www.slate.com/id/2205326
That’s how much respect the author of this thread has for our Bishops.
Because he's a good Democrat first and a good Catholic second?
I'm the author of this thread, and I've made no such comments. Did you maybe mean the author of the article?
I’m not aware of anyone of note “denied at the rail.”
Perhaps this is one reason for the Catholic Church’s being ripped assunder daily by its rabid assailants.
Respect doen’t just come from what people say....
I believe and uphold much, MUCH more Catholic doctrine than Nancy Pelosi.
Besides that there is a lot of money involved..
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