[RobinOfKingston]

John Brooks, ELCA communications director says that all of these things have nothing to do with the protracted debate in the ELCA on homosexuality.

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The ELCA is quick to dismiss such a dismal prognosis, ...

Since May 1999 (during a congregational council meeting) I have been up close and very personal with the shenanigans in the elca. I (and the church of which I am a part ) have moved elsewhere.

I can assure any reader that the attitude expressed in italics above represent the ostrich with its head, not so much in the sand as, where the sun don't shine. The conversations I continue to have express the exact opposite.

[PhilCollins]

I know an ELCA member who said that she’s very pro-gay. She said that churches should change, to conform with society. I said that society should change, to obey the Bible. She was speechless.