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To: kosta50
Well, then you must profess that there is but only one God, the Father (cf 1 Cor 8:6) because Paul says that too.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

That's what it says, in God, of whom are all things...And it also says we are in God just as it says were are in Jesus Christ in other verses...

AND one Lord, Jesus BY whom are all things...

Luk 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

And now we have God being called the LORD when in Corinthians we read that Jesus was the Lord...

And if you look hard enough, you'll see where the Holy Spirit is called the Lord...

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? There IS only one God...God the Father...God the Son...God the Holy Spirit...Paul new that a well...

131 posted on 05/05/2009 4:52:35 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; kosta50

***1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

That’s what it says, in God, of whom are all things...And it also says we are in God just as it says were are in Jesus Christ in other verses...***

Notice that Jesus differentiates Himself from the Father.

***Luk 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

And now we have God being called the LORD when in Corinthians we read that Jesus was the Lord...

And if you look hard enough, you’ll see where the Holy Spirit is called the Lord...***

The Lord is a title. Notice the actual verse differentiates.

***Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? There IS only one God...God the Father...God the Son...God the Holy Spirit...Paul new that a well...***

It doesn’t give any evidence to the Trinity; it differentiates between them all - they all have title of Lord, but there is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

Your verses do not back up your claims.


132 posted on 05/05/2009 5:28:45 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool; MarkBsnr; Cronos
That's what it says, in God, of whom are all things...And it also says we are in God just as it says were are in Jesus Christ in other verses...AND one Lord, Jesus BY whom are all things...

How can that be, if they are both one and the same God? And what about the Holy Spirit? Where is he in this Pauline formula?

And now we have God being called the LORD when in Corinthians we read that Jesus was the Lord...

God can be and is logically the lord, because it's his world and he is greater than all (cf John 10:29), greater than Jesus Christ himself (cf John 14:28). Anyone can be a lord, but Paul recognizes only one God, the Father. And so does Jesus (cf John 20:17).

As Mark correctly observed, the Greek word kyrios (master, prince, emperor, teacher) translated as lord is a title, specifically a title of ownership—one to whom things or living being belong. Since all authority on earth was given to Christ, he is the Lord over all on earth, but he is never called God; only the Father is. And the way the New Testament reads, the Father is the Lord over all, including Christ.

Paul makes that perfectly clear:

"But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ." [1 Cor 1:13]

So, there is no Trinity of co-equal, co-eternal hypostases, as the Church knows it, anywhere in your "sola scriptura." If anything, the "sola scriptura" would lead you to go down the way of Arius, as Cronos aptly noted.

And if you look hard enough, you'll see where the Holy Spirit is called the Lord...

Yes, such as in 2 Cor 3:17-18, a purely Pauline innovation just as he invented the "trilogy" of soma, psyche, pneuma, that is not found anywhere in the Gospels or the Old Testament. Again, this was part of his creating a new religion, or as he called it his gospel, including the idea that the scriptures are "God-breathed."

There IS only one God...God the Father...God the Son...God the Holy Spirit...Paul new that a well...

But apparently the Gospel writers never heard Jesus tell them that. No one ever calls Jesus God and no one ever refers to the Spirit as God. God is lord, but no other lord or Lord is God in the bible.  No one, but the Father is worshiped. If everything, including the Gospels are subjected to Paul, then we are talking Paulianity and not Christianity, as Paul seems to be the "Lord" against whom all things scriptural are made to conform.

Obviously something other than "sola scriptura" had to play a role in the 300-year long development of Christian theology and canon. 

133 posted on 05/05/2009 10:23:29 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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