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To: Iscool
And I'll take that as an admission that the Holy Spirit does NOT live within you...

You may imagine something "lives" inside of you, but the proof is lacking, so it all boils down to words, words and more words...and you know what they say about words

You might want to switch to a more accurate Greek/English translation...The one you are using is deeply flawed...

I don't think so. The word is used metaphorically, not literally.

What does dwelleth in us mean in Greek???

Depends in what context it is used, like everything else. Do you really think that "thank you from the bottom of my heart" means from the physical bottom of your heart? Ever heard of allegory or metaphor? perhaps you need to look them up.

1Jn 3:24...Hey, we even dwell in Jesus...What's that really mean??? We influence Jesus???

You dwell in Jesus and Jesus physically, literally dwells in you? Can you explain this? Please enlighten us as to how this works.

And, by the way, Jesus never said anything like that. It's Paul and "John" creating a new religion for the Greeks and the Romans. Find me in the Gospels where Jesus says such nonsense.

Perhaps you can also explain what Paul means in Romans 7:17 when he says "So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me." You mean to tell me, that the Holy Spirit shares the same "space" where sin abides?

And how can sin "abide" in anything? Sin is not a thing but what we do. Sin is not even a spirit. It is the consequence of our acts. Yet Paul says sin "abides" in you. You can only read this sensibly if you read it metaphorically; otherwise it's pure nonsense.

And how can you be a slave to sin if you are "hijacked" by the Holy Spirit, if you are "born again," if you "dwell" in Jesus? Get real! This is flowery language that was used to make the new religion attractive to Greeks and Romans. It "feels" good but taken literally it's gibberish.

And, when you quote dear Paul, don't forget that he said different things to different people in order to make them accept this new religion he created in order to save the Church, or maybe he didn't believe that either:

He actually believed that he [sic] saves them by pleasing all [sic] men in all [sic] things! Whatever he believed is irrelevant; it;'s what he accomplished that counts which was to save the Church from certain extinction.

120 posted on 05/05/2009 9:40:44 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50

***Perhaps you can also explain what Paul means in Romans 7:17 when he says “So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.” You mean to tell me, that the Holy Spirit shares the same “space” where sin abides?

And how can sin “abide” in anything? Sin is not a thing but what we do. Sin is not even a spirit. It is the consequence of our acts. Yet Paul says sin “abides” in you. You can only read this sensibly if you read it metaphorically; otherwise it’s pure nonsense.

And how can you be a slave to sin if you are “hijacked” by the Holy Spirit, if you are “born again,” if you “dwell” in Jesus? Get real! This is flowery language that was used to make the new religion attractive to Greeks and Romans. It “feels” good but taken literally it’s gibberish.***

Excellent point, unless one has warped the theology to the point where God shares space with satan. I had a conversation on another thread a while ago with someone who was absolutely certain that God was His own satan and ensured the Fall in the Garden; he didn’t as I recall had a good explanation of the 40 day temptation in the desert or the temptation in Gethsemane.

***And, when you quote dear Paul, don’t forget that he said different things to different people in order to make them accept this new religion he created in order to save the Church, or maybe he didn’t believe that either:

“just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved.” [1 Cor 10:33]
He actually believed that he [sic] saves them by pleasing all [sic] men in all [sic] things! Whatever he believed is irrelevant; it;’s what he accomplished that counts which was to save the Church from certain extinction.***

The Church owes pretty well as much to Paul as it does to Peter.


128 posted on 05/05/2009 4:43:29 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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