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To: GonzoII
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read these things...

Doesn't it strike you odd that your church claims all this Revelation stuff is allegorical but yet it tries to pull out verses amongst the context and tell you they are literal???

Now if, according to the opinion of learned and holy men even the Angels will not be without fear in the Day of Judgment, how much greater cause will the Saints have to fear, since they must stand before Christ's tribunal, and give a strict account of all their actions.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

The works get burned, NOT the man...If the works don't burn up, we get a reward...If the works do burn up, we will lose rewards, but we Christians will still be saved...

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

What, we should fear the judgement of God when we have the Spirit of God living inside us???

How frightened we all shall be, what fear and woe will overtake us when our Judge looks upon us!

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

We Christians have been adopted...We do not fear condemnation to Hell...

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

We are Christ's sheep...He knows our names...

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

We Christians have eternal life...RIGHT NOW...Or, Jesus was a liar...

Now when the Judge is seated upon the throne of His majesty, all who are assembled in the valley of Josaphat, Angels and devils, the redeemed and the lost, will all have to adore Christ, as St. Paul says: "We shall all stand before the judgment-seat of Christ. For it is written: As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God" (Rom. xiv. 10, 11).

We WILL NOT be standing in the valley of Jehosaphat...Those that stand there will be killed...Every one of them...

The valley of Jehosephat could not possibly be the Great White Throne Judgement...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

At THIS judgement, the earth and heaven are gone...The valley of Jehosephat is GONE...

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;

And what are they standing on??? NOTHING...There's nothing under their feet...

Therefore I entreat Thee with deep humility and contrition, through Thy bitter Passion, that Thou wouldst pardon my sins and pass a lenient sentence upon me in the Day of Judgment. Amen.

A lenient sentence??? We Christians are headed home to claim our mansions...There won't be any sentence...There will be celebration...

Your church has twisted the scripture (which it doesn't believe anyway) and pulled out verses here and there to keep you in bondage of fear...Bondage to your religion...We Christians have nothing to fear...

For God's sake, and your own, Study the Scriptures...

2Ti 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

4 posted on 04/17/2009 8:38:13 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
What, we should fear the judgement of God when we have the Spirit of God living inside us???

Amen! You get it too! I can hardly wait for these times!

5 posted on 04/17/2009 8:47:29 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Ashes on the head are for mourning the dead; my God lives, Hallelujia!!)
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To: Iscool
Well, I've seen how some in your group resort to personal attacks when their reason fails them or when their fabrications are exposed. So I've become dubious about engaging in any attempt at real and charitable dialogue.

But here's a thing that still fascinates me: There seem to be some among you (as there no doubt are on our side, mutatis mutandis) who just cannot resist the opportunity to spill some bile on the topic of how much they hate our Church -- or what usually turns out to be a fabricated and false construction of what we actually teach.

This leaves me with 2 questions. (1)Just what is the fascination? and (2)Do these people REALLY think that the best way to encourage us to re-think our position is to start by accusing us of teaching what we do not teach (or, to give as much as I can, of teaching what we do not realize we are teaching) and to use vile, contemptuous, and mocking language to describe our group?

You see, I'm working on understanding "all manner of evil" being spoken about me falsely on IHS's account as an instance of blessedness, certainly not an invitation to rethink my relationship with my Lord. So, when the dust settles, I'm left wondering, what was THAT about?

8 posted on 04/17/2009 9:23:45 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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