Posted on 04/15/2009 6:12:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
Those who find fault with the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints do so out of ignorance for they fail to realized the original copy of the JST was handle by many hands before The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints received a copy!
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PROVE that the JST was “handled by many hands” before the LDS church got a copy. I do not see how that can possibly be since JS made the changes with his scribes and they had total control and possession.
And IF the JST was corrupted (which I seriously doubt), the how can you trust ANY OF IT, including the parts that are used as footnotes in the LDS KJV and in the Pearl of Great Price? If the JST is unreliable, then it should be thrown out, right?
And I find fault with the LDS church, not from ignorance, but from personal KNOWLEDGE and found the LDS church to be a fraud.
“been there...done that...read the Book...saw the movie...wore the garments”
stop spinning my words there is nothing that the main stream religion has has that I want nor need.
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How am I “turning” your words? Hmm?
Regardless of how your “conversion” took place, you place your faith in the LDS church. If you did not, then there would be no point in belonging to the “only true church”, would there?
Everything the LDS believe hinges on the reliability of Joseph Smith as a prophet. If he is a prophet, then the LDS church is the “restored” church of Christ. If however, he was a false prophet, or a con man, then the ENTIRE LDS church crumbles. There is no middle ground there.
And there is something the mainstream Christian church has, that you may not want, but you DEFINITELY need. That is the Jesus Christ of the Bible. A Christ who is SINLESS (contrary to Orson Pratt), fully God and fully man (not one who had to “earn” his godhood), who has the power to cover ALL sins (contrary to past LDS leaders view that some sins are not covered - like murder), and who doesn’t need our “help” by our works to ensure our place in the presence of God.
You may not want this Christ, but you need Him, you need him badly, for eternity without Him is a VERY, VERY long time.
“You put your trust in works and ordinances instead of my Grace? All right then, have it your way”
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Very true. Too many people (and not just LDS) add works to the equation because the think Grace is “taking the easy way out”. Salvation by grace alone through faith in NOT easy, it is simple but not easy. It was NOT easy for Christ to go to the Cross, it was NOT easy for Jesus to take upon himself ALL of the sins for ALL of humanity, it was NOT easy for Jesus to have the Father turn His face away from Him.
Being humbled and admitting to myself and God that I could do absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to save myself,that I NEEDED Christ to save me, was one of the most difficult things I have ever done. It was also the most rewarding.
Reaganaut,
Please join those of us who have designated thuRsdays as Resty thuRsdays!
ampu
You hit the nail on the head and the truth is this: Joseph Smith failed the two tests outlined in the Bible for a true prophet of God:
1) A true prophets prophecies had to come true 100%, 100% of the time: Deuteronomy 18:20-22
2) Even if the prophets prophecies came true 100%, a false prophet would draw his followers away from worshiping the true and living God as presented in the Word of God to worship "other gods": Deuteronomy 13:1-5
Joseph Smith failed BOTH of these biblical tests. He is therefore a false prophet and the founder of a false "religion" that worships a false christ.
ping to #41
Does that include the un-lds-canonized JST/IV? What about the 3000+ changes to the bom since 1830? How about the changes to Moses after Young died?
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Good point. So if we throw out the BOM, PGP, Bible and JST, then that just leaves the D&C and there are many changes in that from the original “Book of Commandments”. Hmmm, guess that has to go, too. So what are the LDS left with?
Reaganaut,
Please join those of us who have designated thuRsdays as Resty thuRsdays!
ampu
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I would be glad to. I pray for her (and other LDS freepers on a daily basis, but will make thuRsdays a particular day for intercessory prayer for our dear Resty.
reaganaut,
You got the “dear” part exactly right.
I’m with you, standing in the gap for
dear resty regularly. thuRsdays, I hope
I’m joined by many of the Inmans who realize
that God alone opens hearts and changes lives.
You can’t argue someone into the kingdom.
That takes the Holy Spirit.
ampu
God alone opens hearts and changes lives.
You can’t argue someone into the kingdom.
That takes the Holy Spirit.
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Amen, Ampu. I often say that I “thought my way out of” the LDS church, but that is only half of the equation. There was much more that God was doing in my life to lead me into His kingdom.
My research into the history and doctrines changed my mind about the LDS, but the Holy Spirit is the one that changed my heart and led me to faith in the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Actually, the biggest cult is the Southern Baptists.
Historic Christianity - isn’t that where you buy indulgences from the Church so you can sin all you want?
You’re confusing a particular church with the Bible... :-)
Well, that’s a novel idea..., must have come from one of the cult groups... :-)
ROFLOL. When I get a few minutes, I will write up all the crap that goes on in the protester churches that makes them the very definition of cults. Of course, if you smear anything as innocuous as Boy Scouts, you can make them appear as a cult.
And that is what you are good at: smear jobs.
I, of course, welcome all prayers. I will even add your names to the temple prayer list this week.
I think this is an outright lie.
A warm feeling in their chest?
Okay, about you people and the Niceans.
WHERE DO THEY GET OFF WITH THEIR TRINITY STUFF SINCE IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE?????????????????????????????????????????????
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