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To: Campion

The fabrication of the priesthood that you guys have concocted based upon this passage is beyond the pale. The elders were husbands of one wife (so the Vatican takes up celibacy as an appropriate understanding of this), able to teach (so the Vatican takes up transubstantiation as a an appropriate understanding of this), etc. The Catholic Church has so screwed up the normal understandings of the text that, of course, they need the traditions they have cooked up to counter the text...otherwise everyone would say, “Hey, wait a minute. That’s not what it says!”


16 posted on 04/10/2009 8:32:33 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

***The fabrication of the priesthood that you guys have concocted based upon this passage is beyond the pale. The elders were husbands of one wife (so the Vatican takes up celibacy as an appropriate understanding of this)***

The text reads that an elder can only be the husband of a single wife; plural wives are forbidden. Further, the Church understands (as St. Paul did) that when one pledges one’s life to the Church, that celibacy is often a better way so that one is not distracted and diverted by non spiritual things.

***able to teach (so the Vatican takes up transubstantiation as a an appropriate understanding of this), etc.***

Could you restate this in a less than incoherant fashion?

***The Catholic Church has so screwed up the normal understandings of the text that, of course, they need the traditions they have cooked up to counter the text...otherwise everyone would say, “Hey, wait a minute. That’s not what it says!”***

The Catholic Church (given authority by Jesus Christ Himself) is the only authorized interpreter of Scripture. Everyone else is only guessing.


20 posted on 04/10/2009 8:39:47 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dutchboy88
The Catholic Church has so screwed up the normal understandings of the text that...

...which is to be read as:

The Catholic Church so differs from Dutchboy88's own personal interpretation of Scripture that...

21 posted on 04/10/2009 8:39:56 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Dutchboy88
...otherwise everyone would say...

...to be read as:

...otherwise everyone who agrees with Dutchboy88's own personal interpretation of Scripture would say...

24 posted on 04/10/2009 8:42:52 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Dutchboy88

“On this Rock I build my Church..” - This was Peter speaking to Jesus. This was when he created the Catholic Church and made Peter the first Pope. What “he binds on Earth is bound in Heaven” - this means that the Pope can define what are sins and not sins (basically an unerring Supreme court).

With repect to celibacy - I have no idea what you are talking about - there are many married Roman Catholic priests in the US.


32 posted on 04/10/2009 9:13:45 AM PDT by impimp
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