Posted on 04/09/2009 5:59:46 AM PDT by cartan
It doesn't bother me. It's no big deal to me. He is Risen. Happy Easter.
There is a valid point to having the Church of England politically stripped of its function as a state church. Having bishops appointed by the government is as untenable there as it is for the Catholics to have their bishops appointed in China.
The issue of church properties, churches and cathedrals, will take some years to hash out, as will the determination of the future succession of clergy. The wisest thing would be for the world Anglican communion to meet and reorder the priorities of the UK church.
To say that those who use the English language and consequently refer to Easter as "Easter" worship Ishtar is like saying that those who go to church on Saturday do so to worship Saturn.
Allow me to just finish that copy & paste for you!
Your answer was to:
“Have men not taken Jesus resurrection and called it after an abomination?”
Yes, the planet-god names for the days are interesting.
Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn.
Most interestingly, they are uniformly linked to the same days across all cultures, which is one proof that we all came from a single Tower of Babel culture as the Bible says.
If I could change the names of the days away from those planet-gods, I would. The days won’t be called that in the Kingdom.
Since languages pre-date Christianity, one would have a whole lot of things to rename, but I don’t disagree that at least the caledar proper names could have been renamed in the Middle Ages, and maybe one day they will be.
Imagine the surprise of an American Catholic accustomed to go to Mass on Ash Wednesday and worship Odin, only to find out, on his visit to France, that it is Mercury that is worshipped that day.
“Imagine the surprise of an American Catholic accustomed to go to Mass on Ash Wednesday and worship Odin, only to find out, on his visit to France, that it is Mercury that is worshipped that day.”
wodin actually was Mercury. It’s just it was also personified. Same kind of thing goes for thor & fria. The planets also mean those days in far-off places like Japan.
BTW, this was never a “catholic thing”. I know some people are hypersenstitive to that, and I have admonished those who cause trouble on BOTH sides, in fact probably more protestants, because if you admonish catholics for posting something they think it’s because you’re being anti-catholic... In fact I’ve been so fair, some catholic guy has assumed I was catholic and added me to his catholic ping list. But I’m not going to let that hypersensitivity stop me from having an opinion.
I didn’t take your post as anti-Catholic. I just think that it is incorrect to presume that someone is worshiping Ishtar or Odin just because the language he uses was formed in pagan times.
I never did presume that. Read the post. “Doing homage to” is not the same as “worship” by any means.
We do homage to Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar by naming a month after them.
Hardly anyone realizes they are doing homage to these things, but that doesn’t change the fact that they are.
I’d dispute even that. “We” did not name the month, whe just us the name such as it is in order to be understood.
Sure, but it’s still giving reverence to a thing. That’s why the dictators named months after themselves, after all; so we, 2000 years later, liking it or not, would still be paying them homage.
In the case of Resurrection Sunday, everyone would know what that means, so there’s a conscious choice there to call it easter, particularly given some of the responses here.
People don’t like change. Someone comes along & challenges their worldview, and they take it as a personal attack. This is a “C of E” thread, and protestants should be of the basic belief that the Reformation brought better things. Well perhaps with the increased education and communication we have today that is unprecedented there is an opportunity for more better things. Many churches will be calling it Resurrection Sunday on Sunday, by the way.
To a Catholic mind, Pascha (to use the historical term) is a season; it refers to the Holy Week that we are in, or often the 50 days till Pentecost, and at times, just to the Sunday. I am all for using something that makes direct reference to the Resurrection, or Passover, but this innovation has to accomodate the entire season, and not just Sunday.
Interestingly, in Russian the word for Sunday — any Sunday — is already “Resurrection” (voskresenie). If you ask most traditional Christians, why do they go to church primarily on Sunday, they would say, — because Christ rose on a Sunday. Most European languages derive their word for Sunday from Kyrios/Dominus, the Lord. So “Resurrection day” can justly apply to any Sunday.
How about “Lord’s day”, “Paschal Lord’s day” and “Paschal Season”?
I believe I asked you for your source for the origin of the word Easter.
and you just ignore what I said
I don't believe I did. I make it a habit to try to answer every question posed to me. I also keep tabs on people who categorically refuse to answer reasonable questions. It appears to me that you are in the latter category.
I asked you what church you attend, and you blew me off. I asked you to show me the source material for your claim that Easter is derived from "Ishtar". I have heard that claim a thousand times, yet it does not appear that anyone can really prove it.
and carry on with the attacks.
It was you who fired the first volley by accusing everyone who references this coming Sunday as "Easter Sunday" as some kind of underground pagan who secretly worships Ishtar (whoever the Hell that's supposed to be).
No further good can come from this discussion.
If you answer my questions, I will gladly answer yours.
What church do you attend?
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