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To: meandog
Sure, the praise of Pius XII by a Rabbi in 1967 was motivated entirely by Catholics and the current cause for sainthood . . . . !

And you still have given not one single primary or contemporary source (the Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't qualify, especially if it's one of the post-Micro/Macropedia editions. And some of your facts (not opinions, humble or otherwise) are wrong, but that's not surprising given your sources.)

All the primary sources make it abundantly clear that Pius XII repeatedly denounced Nazis and Nazism, while he was Nuncio, while he was Cardinal-Secretary of State and while he was Pope. Yet you continue to repeat the same old lies that you've gleaned from unreliable hearsay sources.

Truth is not an absolute defense when your "truth" is based on hearsay and gossip that you haven't bothered to verify. The Episcopalian catechism warns you to "keep [your] tongue from evil speaking, lying, and slandering." Since you obviously have no real interest in becoming Catholic . . . .

67 posted on 04/08/2009 7:23:15 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
The Episcopalian catechism warns you to "keep [your] tongue from evil speaking, lying, and slandering." Since you obviously have no real interest in becoming Catholic . . . .

Roman Catholicism appeals to me primarily because of responses in dealing with apostate crisis (gay pedophiles as priests, etc.; which Episcopalians now seem to embrace as well as other apostasies) and the fact that historically there would be no Christianity without the "Mother" Church. What turns me off are RCs who are seemingly blind to well-documented historic facts as well as Scriptural record (I've had some defend the Inquisition, every abuse, every pope). On Scriptural record, if you can show me any of the Canonical account of the Blessed Virgin being bodily assumed into heaven in either the Catholic Bible--the one with the Apocrapha--or the standard KIng James version I use, I will believe you, BTW, as a father of daughters, I do find it strange that while Mary is so venerated some RC Dioceses here in America won't even allow girls to serve at the altar let alone the greater Church ever considering women fit for the priesthood. Interesting, isn't it, that some of history's greatest monarch Elizabeth I, Catherine of Russia,Isabella of Spain; and the in Christendom, St. Joan of Arc, were women? Then, again, I suppose you will defend your Church on this fact as well with some sort of something about convents and nuns being "leaders?")

About eight or so years ago, I became very interested in Christianity's founding and decided to study Judaism here with a Rabbi-led course. I really found it fascinating that Jews, for the most part, don't really have a problem with Jesus nor with St. Peter the founder of "Our" Church. They do, however (at least the ones I came across, have a big problem with a former zealous Pharisee later known to us as St. Paul and some features of mainline Christianity (primarily Roman Catholicism and the EUSA, but not so much as the more protestant Presbyterians, Baptists and Methodists) stressing the black or white of religion rather than the shades of gray, particularly where there is no sound Scriptural documentation in either the Old or New Testaments.

I didn't and don't mean to offend you in any way and I am sorry that you might take it that way. But I cannot agree that Pius XII was in any way a "saint" as some RCs are not pushing for...he IS no doubt a better Christian than me though in all retrospect for I can confess to you that my sins are great indeed!

68 posted on 04/09/2009 2:23:57 AM PDT by meandog (The only "Bush" sounding surname worth a damn belongs to NASCAR's Kurt&Kyle Busch--not GEORGE!)
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