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To: Dutchboy88

As a traditionalist Catholic I find it impossible NG be married three times and be allowed full Communion.
This is the same hierarchy (well- the present or immediate past) that has allowed the annulment scandal.


73 posted on 04/05/2009 8:32:59 PM PDT by BonRad (As Rome goes so goes the world)
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To: BonRad

Annulments are only required for a valid marriage which is still in existence.

Newt’s first wife is dead, so that marriage no longer is a problem.

His second marriage was done while the first wife was alive. It was not a valid marriage.

Only his third marriage is valid. No annulment is necessary, but I am certain he has had to confess his sins and has been instructed on the marriage sacrament and his reponsibilities to remain faithful.

I am not a canon law expert, but I have heard enough explanations on various programs that I am pretty certain I am correct.


80 posted on 04/05/2009 9:10:26 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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let’s see...newt sinned ( not really because his divorces and remarriages were not forbidden in the Baptist denomination....all he had to do to come home to Catholocism was to have the church determine that his previous marriages were not valid....in fact he needn’t even need to do that much....if one of his marriages were determined to be valid, he would merely not be able to remarry. The sacrament of reconciliation , faithfully entered into, enables Christ to forgive you of even the most heinous sins....that’s who Jesus is.....He told you that....please listen.......whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you retain, they are retained....I thought you were a bible believer......almost all of the bible doesn’t count.....you knew that!!!


81 posted on 04/05/2009 9:10:41 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: BonRad

“As a traditionalist Catholic I find it impossible NG be married three times and be allowed full Communion.”

This subject has been hashed over and over on FR! Newt’s first wife is now deceased, so that marriage has no bearing on the matter of his marital status. It’s my understanding that Marianne, Newt’s second wife, was divorced when they married, and that puts into doubt the validity of his second marriage in the eyes of the church.

None of us really knows the entire story of Newt’s marriages as to whether they are obstacles for his receiving the sacraments of the Catholic Church. So, I think we should lay this subject to rest.


92 posted on 04/06/2009 4:01:19 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: BonRad
Newt's first wife is dead.

Newt's second "wife" married him while his first wife was still alive. Thus, according to Church law, Newt was not married to "wife" #2 any more than Henry VIII was married to Ann Boleyn.

Newt's first wife was dead when he married Callista. As a widower, he was free to marry. To the best of my knowledge, Callista had not been married and so this third marriage was apparently valid.

You identify yourself as a traditional Catholic. I also identify as a traditional Catholic. What is your basis in Church law or otherwise for saying that Newt should be denied full Communion with the Church???

Second, just what is your problem (or what are your problems) with the (present or immediate past) hierarchy? B-XVI, JP-II?

Third, define, in traditional Catholic terms, what you mean by "annulment scandal."

110 posted on 04/06/2009 10:33:22 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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