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To: P-Marlowe
If I might ask, have you allegorized the creation story sufficiently in your mind that you believe (based on the evidence of dry bones), that man was not a special creation of God, but that he descended from lower forms of life and ultimately from some simian non-human ancestor?

Again you refuse to actually dialog. I never said that man was NOT a special creation. Further, I myself brought up the creation of man and woman as a point that there IS an element of story-telling to the creation narrative of Genesis.

(The creation-story appears again, right there in Genesis wherein God creates man and woman at the same time in that account.) Do you mean to say then that, because things SHOULD be read literally, always, that BOTH accounts are factually true down to minuta even though on the literal side they contradict each other? I am a programmer, in logical-thinking contradictions mean something is wrong, usually an assumption. Therefore, because there is a contradiction here under the assumption that both stories are literal-narrative/scientific-documentary style language, that may be the false assumption. There is no problem if these stories are being presented in a more story-telling fashion, that is the second account is merely a refresher/prolog to the story that is being told there, namely the fall of man.

You smugly throw out Paul's verse condemning the wise as foolish (Cor.) when it is manifestly obvious that I was not calling your stance foolish, but rather your inability to dialog & communicate... in other words, even though I apologized for it I was not calling your beliefs foolish but your actions; you.

Again and again you dance away from dialog, reason, and analysis instead imagining non-existent attacks and an arrogance exceeded only by congress... and taking a rebuke in completely the wrong way, even after I explained it.

Answer this: How can there be a meaningful conversation when you have already condemned me? How can I present a defense of my views when you refuse to listen?

Zacheeus asked Jesus "How can a man be born again? Can he enter his mother's womb a second time?" This was a perfectly valid question to a very literal taking of Jesus's own words. But is that what Jesus was talking about?

71 posted on 03/27/2009 7:16:30 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“How can there be a meaningful conversation when you have already condemned me?”

The short answer is that there can’t be. Most of the creationists and YECs on this site believe that one cannot be a Christian if one does not hold to the belief that the Bible is literally true (at least in public!). They have a scorecard (OK, perhaps it’s an allegorical scorecard) that they use to assess the Christianity of those who take positions such as yours (or mine). If the boxes don’t get checked, then you’re not a Christian, and hence condemned.

As a Christian myself, I find it hard to accept that brand of fascism as a tenet of my faith.


73 posted on 03/27/2009 7:29:34 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: OneWingedShark; GodGunsGuts; xzins; enat
Answer this: How can there be a meaningful conversation when you have already condemned me?

You called me a fool. I called you nothing.

How can I present a defense of my views when you refuse to listen?

You refused to answer my question. Let me repeat it. It is a simple yes/no question:

If I might ask, have you allegorized the creation story sufficiently in your mind that you believe (based on the evidence of dry bones), that man was not a special creation of God, but that he descended from lower forms of life and ultimately from some simian non-human ancestor?

But is that what Jesus was talking about?

No.

I was not calling your beliefs foolish but your actions; you.

Thank you for the clarification.

80 posted on 03/27/2009 8:14:06 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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