Posted on 03/25/2009 1:14:14 AM PDT by OPREV
Nineteen hundred and seventy five years ago, This is the discussion that went on between Jesus and his disciples -
Mat 24:3 As Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him in private. "Tell us when all this will be," they asked, "and what will happen to show that it is the time for your coming and the end of the age."
Mat 24:4 Jesus answered, ....
Mat 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky; and all the peoples of the land will weep as they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 The great trumpet will sound, and he will send out his angels to the four corners of the earth, and they will gather his chosen people from one end of the world to the other.
And the most important part ----
Mat 24:34 Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.
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Jesus told the disciples he would come back and take them to heaven in their lifetime. If he didn't come back, then, he lied.
Another translation of verse 34
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till ALL these things be accomplished.
Jesus told the disciples that their generation would not pass away, until he came back and took them to heaven.
Jesus came back, in the 1st century, like he said he would, and, his angels gathered the elect and they went back to heaven. Which means, we live in the millenium.
Rev 20:4 ...and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, ... and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The Greek word used for the "thousand years" is chilioi. Chilioi is a plural word, meaning, 2000, or more. Thus, the millenium would be 2000 or more years.
And we would be at this point in history -
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.
And the next thing we would see is, the Bride coming out of Heaven
Rev 21:9 And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were laden with the seven last plagues; and he spake with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
Jesus came back & the early church left, with him. The rapture is past, the beast & false prophet also, the two witnesses are long gone, as are the 144,000. We live at the very end of history, when Satan is let loose, the armies from the North attack God's people, fire from the sky comes down and kills them, and there is a new heaven and new earth. And the final act is the Bride coming out of heaven. And then it's over. :)
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Post 19 was psychotic. Check the list of the fruits of the Spirit. Which one did that post exude? Any? Lol. 0_o :)
The Beast came and went. Daniel's 4th beast was Rome.
Jesus didn't literally kill the soldiers with a sword. The sword is the word of God. And the birds feasting on flesh weren't literal either.
Rev 19:21 and the rest were killed with the sword (the word of God) of him that sat upon the horse, even the sword (word of God) which came forth out of his mouth: and all the birds (spirits) were filled with their flesh.
Parable of the Sower - Mat 13:4 and as he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the birds came and devoured them:
Interpretation of the Parable - Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the evil one, and snatcheth away that which hath been sown in his heart. This is he that was sown by the way side.
The bird(s) in the Parable was Satan. The good birds in Mat 13:31&32 would be the Holy Spirit. The birds in Rev 19:21 were spirits or Satan himself. Not literal birds. Thus, there was no bloodbath when Christ killed the beast's armies. :)
Little oops on the quote. Others have already made the biblical references that the Holy Spirit and the Kingdom of God are within us, but this quote doesn’t refer to that. Rather, it is a reference to 2 Corinthians 4.
But actually, recognizing what Paul doesn’t explicitly says brings up an interesting realization in me: Paul is writing how the gospel is a treasure within ourselves. He’s making a comparison to holding the scripture in earthen vessels.
For centuries, this reference must have been missed, but indeed, we do now know that the people of Paul’s time were actually preserving the scriptures within earthen pottery!
People just have a problem believing scripture
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand.
That was 1950 years ago
Yes, Revelations describes what John saw when what was in Heaven was revealed to him. But he also describes the nature of the Kingdom of Heaven. And the Lord’s Prayer petitions, “thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.” So there are things on Earth which are a foretaste of what is in Heaven. Seek them out.
I don’t mean that you should question so you can say to yourself, “I posed my hypothesis, and they failed to convince me I was wrong.” I mean that if you come to a spiritual realization that is so contrary to 1900 years of predominant Christian thought, it is better to seek deeper understanding than to presume you are the correct one.
There are thousands of contradictory doctrines, almost all of them initially espoused by people believing they were uniquely spiritually insightful and more faithful to the bible than all the others whose doctrines they contradict. I believe you are correct in identifying where some difficult passages of scripture are ignored or explained away with undue ease by certain sects. But there are other resolutions than the ones you have reached which may also satisfy the shortcomings you have identified. If you are less certain yours is the perfect answer, you can benefit from others’ insight.
Or you can simply ignite many arguments.
Or you can do both :^D.
Satan blinds those that "believe not"....
11 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
God blinds some so that they "should not understand."
John 12:40 "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."
That was interesting. The hard cases, the beasts of the earth, are blinded by Satan. The other souls, believers and righteous people, are blinded from full truth by God for their protection.
And the next thing we would see is, the Bride coming out of Heaven
Forgettin' something there, aren't ya??? If you're are standing here on a piece of ground and you see heaven opens up and the Bride heading down, THE CHURCH, that means you ain't part of it...
The Wedding is OVER...And you missed it...I'd be a little nervous if I was you...
There is NOTHING in Scripture that suggests you can become part of the Bride AFTER the Wedding ceremony is done...
Lol. ;) Hey, sounds ok to me. Lol. :D
When the truth is told, the demons come out. It was evident here in the thread. :) Check everything with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Which posts are opposite? :)
Actually, there is scripture that says you can be part of the bride after the wedding.
Jesus took the bride to heaven (Joh 14:2&3, 1Th 4:17), and there are saints on the earth during the millenium (Rev 20:9).
Not to mention, with God, all things are possible. At least, with mine they are. ;) :)
There is no problem. Jesus said it. Therefore it must be true. ;) :)
Well let's take a look at this statement that you agree is true.
The Greek word for generation is Genea. Strong's number 1074; noun whose original meaning was generation, that is, a multitude of contemporaries. In NT Gr. genea literally means space of time, circle of time, which only in a derived sense signifies the meaning of a time, a race; then generally in the sense of affinity of communion based upon the sameness of stock. Race or posterity (Acts 8:33). Generation (Matthew 1:17), occurs with special reference to the physical or moral circumstances, speaking of an age or time referring to the spiritual state of society at the time (Hebrews 3:10, cf. Luke 7:31; 11:31; Acts 13:36). The connection alone must decide whether the sense is limited to the state of society at a certain time or to race or stock. The word genea in Matthew 24:34 meant the type of Jew with whom Jesus was conversing during that particular time (Matthew 21:23; 23:29). He was telling them that this generation or type, such as the Sadducees and Pharisees of that day, would not pass away until all these things occurred and until His coming again in His parousia (Strong's 3952), Second Coming. He was prophesying the destruction of their nation (Matthew 24:15-28) (emphasis mine, reference The complete New Testament Word Study by Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D.)
So understanding in context what the word generation means we can see that Jesus was not talking specifically about those saints he saw and was speaking to face-to-face. Add to this what Jesus said prior about the specific signs in the heavens, the gatering of his elect, and the parable of the fig tree we can be certain that he was not speaking of the contemporaries of Peter and James.
And then let's take a look at what Jesus had to say after "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." He spoke of two being in the field or grinding at the mill and one being taken and the other left. Where in history do we have record of something of this uniqueness happening? Do you not think our history books (biased as they may be) would not mention this phenomena?
Common sense (although not so common anymore) and good study makes it pretty obvious that these events spoken of by Jesus have not occurred just yet.
They may be Saints, but they are not the Bride, or part of it...Those are people that were deceived...
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever
Not to mention, with God, all things are possible. At least, with mine they are. ;) :)
That's true...He may set me at His left hand...But I don't think I'd use that for an answer about God's prophecy...
wonderful words of wisdom. Thank you. Shalom
Whoohoo! AMEN. Praise be to God Most High :D
1Co 7:31 and those that use the world, as not using it to the full: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
Rom 13:11 And this, knowing the season, that already it is time for you to awake out of sleep: for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.
2Ti 4:1 I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign--
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Rev 3:11 'I am coming quickly! Be holding fast what you have, so that no one shall receive your victor's wreath.
Rev 22:7 "{And} listen! I am coming quickly! Happy [is] the one keeping the words of the prophecy of this scroll."
Rev 22:12 "Listen! I am coming quickly, and My reward [is] with me, to render [or, repay] to each as his work will be [fig., according to his deeds].
Rev 22:10 And he says to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this scroll, {for} the time is near.
Rev 22:20 The One testifying to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly!" So be it! Yes, be coming, Lord Jesus!
You might want to explain away those also. Those are the letters they sent back and forth to each other 1950 years ago. They were "eagerly" awaiting the return of Jesus (Php 3:20). Why? Because Jesus told the disciples he was coming back for them (Joh 14:3). Thus he surely did. :)
Post 54, BTTT.
Proverbs 1:20-33
20 Wisdom calls aloud outside; She raises her voice in the open squares.
21 She cries out in the chief concourses, At the openings of the gates in the city She speaks her words:
22 "How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? For scorners delight in their scorning, And fools hate knowledge.
23 Turn at my rebuke; Surely I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you.
24 Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded,
25 Because you disdained all my counsel, And would have none of my rebuke,
26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes,
27 When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.
28 "Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.
29 Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD,
30 They would have none of my counsel And despised my every rebuke.
31 Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled to the full with their own fancies.
32 For the turning away of the simple will slay them, And the complacency of fools will destroy them;
33 But whoever listens to me will dwell safely, And will be secure, without fear of evil."
May the Lord give you ears to hear. Please be aware of a hardened and unteachable spirit. Shalom.
“Genea: From (a presumed derivative of) genos; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons) — age, generation, nation, time.
Genos: Kin. from Ginomai
Ginomai: to cause to be, be brought to pass, happen”
The idea is that Genea refers to those who lived contemporaneously with one another.
A general word of caution: Strong’s is not meant as a translation tool. To use Strong’s definitions to support a given interpretation is merely to appeal to an authority — Strong. His definitions are based on how he sees them used in the bible, and have precisely nothing to do with their actual usage in Greek or Hebrew, outside of the bible.
Worse, he lumps all related words together. In this case, that causes no particular harm.
Yes, it seems to be a spiritual generation. Besides, we were already in historic times during the first century. Surely it would be noted somewhere by someone if all those people disappeared.
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