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Old Calvinism is Now the New Calvinism
American Vision ^ | March 23, 2009 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 03/23/2009 11:32:12 AM PDT by topcat54

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To: Quix

I believe we are witnessing a clear separation of the wheat from the chaff, and will do so more often as persecution begins to rear its ugly head against the church.

It is easy to sit in one’s living room, all comfortable, and pontificate about doctrine to friend and foe alike. But what about when the state says you aren’t allowed to? What about when there is a real price to pay? Too many will fall away. I pray I have the strength not to embarass my Lord.


101 posted on 03/23/2009 7:55:31 PM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: Blogger; raynearhood; HarleyD; wmfights
Well, I'm confused.

The only “ism” I care about is biblicism. Beyond that, any of man’s constructs is dung.

First you only want to be called a "biblicist", now you insist that you care about Calvinism, even thought Calvinism was systematized by men and man's constructs are dung.

And insofar what John Calvin said was consistent with Scripture, I agree with him. Where he strayed from Scripture, I disagree.

I agree, Calvinism, carefully and explicitly defined, is found in Scripture. Not everything John Calvin taught is.

But what John Calvin taught is Calvinism. What some folks call Calvinism are 5 points. Hardly the sum and substance of all Calvin's teachings, nor of the Churches that bear his name and legacy.

I think you were better off with the biblicist tag. Less of John Calvin you need to disavow.

102 posted on 03/23/2009 8:04:12 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: Quix; Blogger; raynearhood; Lee N. Field
Some ‘Christians’ seem caught up in similar exercises, futilities, damnable perspectives, attitudes, convictions, . . .

Sounds like you need a vacation from FR, my friend. Get a grip. See what's real in life. Put that new degree to good use. Give the replacementarians/RAP-artists a break.

We'll be here when you get back.


103 posted on 03/23/2009 8:08:46 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: enat
“Is that all there is, is that all there is

ROTFLOL!

Thanks that's one of the best responses I've seen. :)

104 posted on 03/23/2009 8:09:02 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Blogger

INDEED.

I pray similarly.

LUB
BRO.

REMEMBER REGARDLESS . . .

FROM TIME TO TIME THE LORD WILL REMIND ME OF YOU AND I WILL PRAY FOR YOU.


105 posted on 03/23/2009 8:09:18 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Buddygirl
Catholics believe you have to be saved through the Roman Catholic Church.

FALSE

106 posted on 03/23/2009 8:10:11 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: topcat54

New degree?

Sounds like more Replacementarian, Amil Preterist nonsense, to me.

Sheesh.


107 posted on 03/23/2009 8:10:37 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Blogger; topcat54
Topcat is a known antagonist, and I will not give him/her the right to define what I mean.

Have the courage to ping the man if you're going to slander him publicly. Don't talk about him behind his back.

108 posted on 03/23/2009 8:17:58 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Blogger

I am trusting my Lord Jesus Christ to hold onto me tight. We are so “soft” here in the USA and other western civilizations. That truly rattles me. Even when trouble seems to be coming there are either folks with their heads in the sand or some professing Christians getting ready to fly out before trouble starts (left behind crowd).


109 posted on 03/23/2009 8:18:44 PM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: Buddygirl
The fact that Stephen knew that one can resist the grace of God is the topic of the verse.

We share the joy of being in Jesus' hand. We just don't agree on this.

Ph. 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

If it is God who waits for us to decide to believe, or not, then God is not all powerful, or omniscient.

110 posted on 03/23/2009 8:23:34 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: topcat54; raynearhood; HarleyD; wmfights; Blogger

“Hey, enat, I’m still waiting for a response over here.

Don’t pick a new fight while you are still bleeding from the last one.”

As a Calvinist partial Dispensationalist I have learned to compartmentalize so I can handle two simple problems at the same time.

Actually I was waiting for you to answer my reply before responding to your partial answer. You still haven’t answered how in the amil system saints can reign with Christ without having been judged or how one can be in His presence without the assurance that one is saved or has obtained mercy. But those questions are still waiting for you over on the other post.


111 posted on 03/23/2009 8:29:16 PM PDT by enat
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To: Blogger; Quix
What about when there is a real price to pay? Too many will fall away. I pray I have the strength not to embarass my Lord.

I find myself praying about this as well. It's hard to believe that evil is not gaining ground when you look around.

112 posted on 03/23/2009 8:29:43 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

Yet . . . He

has promised to never leave nor forsake us.

And that nothing can distance us, separate us from His Love.

And we do not legally hold accountable folk forced to do things at the point of a gun, for example.

He is certainly more fair and loving than we are in our secular courts.

Methinks our concern about denying Him may be overblown.

However, I still pray I do nothing in any circumstances that would bring the slightest insult to Him or His Name.


113 posted on 03/23/2009 8:36:31 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Methinks our concern about denying Him may be overblown.

I understand that, once He has us in His hand nothing can snatch us out of it. However, I really don't want to fail to glorify Him in my daily walk.

114 posted on 03/23/2009 8:41:22 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: raynearhood; Lee N. Field; enat
Actually I was waiting for you to answer my reply before responding to your partial answer. You still haven’t answered how in the amil system saints can reign with Christ without having been judged or how one can be in His presence without the assurance that one is saved or has obtained mercy.

One of you guys wanna take this? Perhaps you can decipher.

115 posted on 03/23/2009 8:43:16 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: wmfights

Well, I know that I have been saved because His Spirit witness with my spirit that I am a child of God. God is omnipotent and He is sovereign and I am not limiting Him. Jesus wanted me to believe on Him for salvation, I did, and He saved me!


116 posted on 03/23/2009 8:48:05 PM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: Petronski

Check out the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church.


117 posted on 03/23/2009 8:50:24 PM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: Buddygirl
Check out the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church.

Check them out?

LOL

I learned them in grade school, I have received six of them.

Whom do you think you are addressing?

118 posted on 03/23/2009 8:52:43 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave

We may fly out, that is the Lord may well return any day, even tonight. However, where certain folks get things confused is when they equate the return of the Lord with escaping any sort of trouble.

Both dispensationalists and the foes of dispensationalists get it wrong. Those dispensationalists who believe the catching away of Christians exempts them from trouble, aren’t studying Scripture very well. In fact, we are promised trials and persecution and the like. In the same respect, there are dispensationlists who do not look at the rapture as escape from trouble, but escape from the wrath of God already taken for them by Jesus Christ. Non-dispensationalists who attack dispensationalism miss (often deliberately I believe) that point. Not all dispensationalists believe alike. But unfortunately, the errors of some get the rest tagged with labels that are frankly not true of the whole.


119 posted on 03/23/2009 8:55:43 PM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: topcat54

Ah, your answer reminds me of the person who was stuck on the roof of house during a flood. This person prayed that the Lord would save them. God sent a helicopter and a boat. In the end the person drowned. When the person faced God, they asked why didn’t He saved them? God responded, “I sent a helicopter and a boat and you turned them down. So, better to say, I believe and receive Him, than to do NOTHING!


120 posted on 03/23/2009 8:58:09 PM PDT by Buddygirl
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