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First off, I'd like to thank you for putting your responses into a readable format.

[Stourme astutely opined]
According to you, Jesus just didn’t know He was being conned.

[reaganaut harshly responds]
There you go again, putting words in my mouth that I did not say.

No, I came to a conclusion based on the evidence you provided.

[reaganaut sternly bloviates]
And so, NO you did not understand me correctly.

Well, I'm certainly glad we've cleared that up. So you've changed your position then?

[reaganaut judgmentally thunders]
You are incorrect about this just as you are incorrect about everything related to true Christianity.

And I think I live at an incorrect address too on the incorrect street. I think my telephone number is wrong...

[reaganaut]
Of course Jesus knew his heart. He know all our hearts. He know who will believe and who will not.

Nor would Jesus set someone up for failure. So following this logic, Judas was chosen by Jesus because Judas was on par with the other 11 apostles.

Yes. Judas was a believer, but he gave into temptation and betrayed Jesus.

I am not the judge of Judas. I do not speculate on his eternal reward. But however, if your doctrine is correct, then you have to proclaim that Judas is in heaven this very moment.

You “conclusion” is faulty. I have not changed my position.

YOU: Nor would Jesus set someone up for failure... then you have to proclaim that Judas is in heaven this very moment.

Jesus did not “set anyone up for failure”, just becuase Jesus knew before Judas was even born what Judas would do, does not take away Judas’ choice in the matter. Judas’ betrayal is one more fulfillment of scripture. I do not have to proclaim Judas is in heaven at all.

But by your own logic, since Adam and Eve’s fall was a “fall up”, then you must agree that Judas was a true believer because without his actions, the atonement would never have happened.