Bigotry against Mormons apparently acceptable in Utah LDS (OPEN)

Salt Lake Tribune ^ | March 20, 2009

[greyfoxx39]

Here is the response of a Utahn commenting on a Salt Lake Tribune online blog concerning HBO's attempt in its series "Big Love" to increase its revenues by publicly insulting the religious sensitivity of a minority religion: "Anything that gets the LDS "church's magical Mormon underwear in a twist is all right with me!!"

I write for a regional newspaper in Iowa. During the last election campaign, I suggested that Mitt Romney lost the Iowa caucus to Mike Huckabee primarily due to anti-Mormon bigotry. A reader argued that my opinion had no credence because I was a lay leader in the LDS Church.

The writer was either suggesting that I knew exactly what I was talking about and was therefore credible, or that I shouldn't be believed because I was a Mormon, which implies that the writer was a bigot.

-SNIP-

It is obvious to an outsider that Utah, or at least Salt Lake City, has within itself a deeply held culture of bigotry. A bigotry so ingrained in the cultural norm that the readers posting comments to the newspaper's blogs, apparently believing they are freethinking and ironic, are saying things online that would never be allowed into print if written about other groups.

[Alex Murphy]

This is a case of one poster accusing another poster of intending to deceive by selective use of ellipses rather than quoting the source fully.

A year ago - almost to the day - I was accused of being personally responsible for provoking war, and impeding a "global discussion between Protestants and Catholics", all because I used ellipses. Seriously.

[greyfoxx39]

A year ago - almost to the day - I was accused of being personally responsible for provoking war, and impeding a "global discussion between Protestants and Catholics", all because I used ellipses. Seriously.

Seriesly...did you get zotted by the Viking Kitties for it?

[Godzilla]

[greyfoxx39]

liking your new placemarker ;)

[Godzilla]

Wasn’t in the mood for a submarine, ate one for lunch.

[SkyPilot]

I am not the arbiter of truth, fact, logic, etc. If I bent to your wish to establish the fact of a matter and disallow all views to the contrary, I would also have to bend to your opponent's wish to establish the fact of a matter and disallow all views to the contrary. That is not tolerable. Posters must argue what is true and false on open threads, not by attacking the other posters personally and certainly not by starting a new thread as a personal attack. You are obviously too thin-skinned for the "open" threads on this Religion Forum. Ignore them. Post instead to the "prayer" "devotional" "caucus" and "ecumenical" threads. Leave this thread.

Wow.

Thank you.

[Stourme]

Not dubious, matters of historical record. You said “NEVER” and I gave examples.

The original quote was:

Mormons don’t kill those who disagree with them....

Where then you proceeded to list examples like "Blood Atonement". Blood Atonement is a principle....not an event. And has nothing to do with someone "disagreeing" with Mormons.

The items you listed have no comparative value to the original quote. At best it's bizarro logic.

Urban legends and fairy tales never give weight to an argument.

[reaganaut]

Blood Atonement is a principle that was practiced. Some of the victims were apostates, those who did not agree anymore with the LDS.

They are not urban legends or fairly tales. Unlike the Book of Mormon.

Just face up to history.

[Stourme]

What Was the 1838 “Mormon War”?

Was this meant for me??

[Stourme]

Blood Atonement is a principle that was practiced. Some of the victims were apostates, those who did not agree anymore with the LDS.

Give me the names of these apostates that you claim were executed by the LDS or admit it didn't happen.

[Old Mountain man]

That’s a very interesting claim. Please ping with names of those who were executed by the LDS Church. If you cannot, kindly withdraw the accusation.

False accusations may well indicate a deep character flaw.

[colorcountry]

Symon Andersen Matheson. for one.

[Osage Orange]

Geesh..."fred"?

What in the name of J. Smith did you say in post #123 that was REMOVED by the MOD's?

Does resty know?

ROFLOL!!

[Osage Orange]

Yes....

I am channeling Fred Resty.............

[colorcountry]

Here's a list for you of Mormon blood atonement upon individuals

130 or so of them.

[colorcountry]

Ping to #155

[Stourme]

Here's a list for you of Mormon blood atonement upon individuals

Do you just type in what ever random non-sense comes into your mind? That's an honest question btw. I'm just curious.

How in the world do you make the logical leap of connecting blood atonement with Mountain Meadows?

John Calvin and Martin Luther burning people at the stake for heresy doesn't even jive...

[Stourme]

Symon Andersen Matheson. for one

Did you just pick a random pioneer name?

He was born 1841, died 1864, was part of the Duncan company that came west.... what's your point?

[Old Mountain man]

This post indicates a personality that is stuck on one thing. This post also indicates a failure to follow The Lord’s admonition in His instructions: “forgive us our trespasses as WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO HAVE TRESPASSED AGAINST US.”

Perhaps this poster could explain how we have trespassed against her in an unforgivable way? Or will this generate another abuse complaint?

If I have trespassed against you, I ask your forgiveness.

[reaganaut]

Thank you for the post listing the victims.