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To: Star Traveler

Howdy - I understand you probably get “all types” regarding this subject, and the article I posted is somewhat arcane.

Here is my summary:
April 8th will be (arguably) only the third time in history that there has been this conjunction of observances associated with Pesach (Passover). The last two corresponded to major redemptive events for Israel: 1)Release from Egypt, 2) Purim (read Esther).

Therefore, there are some who are looking for something big coming soon. The Jewish folks who are highlighting this are expecting a soon redemption. Here is another interesting related article:
http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/31425/The_Story_Of_Our_Generation_Roy_S._Neuberger.html

Of course, the connection to Christian eschatology and discussion regarding Rapture timing are related to the fulfillment of the Feasts of Israel by the first and second coming of the Savior Messiah Jesus.


92 posted on 03/19/2009 11:20:44 AM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Squidpup

You said — Howdy - I understand you probably get “all types” regarding this subject, and the article I posted is somewhat arcane.

Yeah, this subject on the Rapture, with some, can get carried away, at times with all sorts of different ideas. The key here is to stay within the boundaries of what the Bible has given us, and we can use “teaching” from others, in that regard, if they use Biblical support.

And I wouldn’t want anyone to get the idea that the Rapture was mainly associated with arcane and secret ideas in Christian circles. It’s not!

The subject of the Rapture is well-known in the Christian community and is well-established as a mainstream Christian doctrine. Of course there are some naysayers to the Rapture, in terms of what we’re talking about here. But, we’re concentrating on supporting the Rapture and doing so in a open and clear and Biblical way.

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And then you were saying — April 8th will be (arguably) only the third time in history that there has been this conjunction of observances associated with Pesach (Passover). The last two corresponded to major redemptive events for Israel: 1)Release from Egypt, 2) Purim (read Esther).

Now, in regards to *one particular aspect* of this idea that you’ve presented (referencing the other article) — it’s that (as you say...) this is only the third time in history that there is some unique conjunction of observances associated with Passover. So, this gives it an “exact time” which will not repeat (or hardly at all, according to what you’re saying). This puts it in that category of saying, “This is the time” because of its very unique circumstances. I would have to say that just about *all* of the Rapture teachers/preachers/proponents do *not* subscribe to the idea that the Rapture is identifiable down to a particular day.

In reference to some who have explored the idea of the “Seven Festivals of the Lord” being prophetic of Jesus Christ’s ministry and that one of them may be related to the Rapture, is not putting it down to one particular date (although it comes close by saying that the Rapture is related to one particular time of the year [that festival], or maybe next year, or the year after or ten years from now... LOL...). But, they never say “It’s this particular year!” And anyone who has done that in the past, has always been shown to be wrong.

Having said that, it’s also apparent (at least to me) that we can know that we are in the “time of the end” — at which time the Rapture will be happening “soon” (but, an “unknown soon”...).

I’m afraid that this (i.e. your article referenced) would go against the teaching of the “imminence” of the Rapture.

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And lastly, you were saying — “Of course, the connection to Christian eschatology and discussion regarding Rapture timing are related to the fulfillment of the Feasts of Israel by the first and second coming of the Savior Messiah Jesus.”

Ummm.., let me say first, that just because “others” think that there is going to be some “major event” happening, and they connect that major event with one thing or another, or a prophecy of theirs or some prophet of theirs saying so — doesn’t mean that all these other so-called “major events” that others may be predicting are related to the Rapture... LOL...

We’re primarily coming at this from strictly the Bible and its teaching. And, as I said, we can get help from teachers/preachers/propoents of the Rapture in what they say and write — as long as we’re anchored into the Bible in what they say and reason.

Okay, in connection with the fulfillment of the Feasts by Jesus Christ — yes, I have read about that. And it does sound very intriguing. And — if that is the case — then Jesus has *already fulfilled* the one concerning Passover, and that’s done. These proponents of the idea that Jesus Christ is fulfilling prophecy as shown by the Feasts of the Lord, have shown them to be sequentially fulfilled by Jesus, in the Spring Festivals and the Fall Festivals. The Spring Festivals are fulfilled and done (i.e., fulfilled by Christ) at the present time and the next one on the list of Festivals to be fulfilled (not yet done yet) is the Feast of Trumpets.

And also, and maybe easier to understand, these proponents of this idea are saying that the Spring Festivals are related to Jesus Christ’s *First Coming* — while the Fall Festivals are related to his *Second Coming* (with a “gap” in between the Spring and Fall Festivals). You’re article fails on this count, too...

So, unless you are saying that Jesus Christ is going to do a “do-over” on the Passover Festival (prophetically speaking), because He apparently wasn’t satisfied with His first time around, this doesn’t appear to “fit” the model, as given by these proponents of the “Festivals of the Messiah” (and His fulfillment of them) — and *particularly* not in relation to the Rapture.


94 posted on 03/19/2009 11:58:58 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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