Posted on 03/10/2009 8:26:02 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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Presumably Mormon polygamists will be using the old temple endowment ceremony, which is way different than the current one. I’m sure the LDS leadership’s biggest concern is that plenty of their younger members (and some older ones who haven’t done proxy endowments in recent history and are out of the loop) who are blissfully clueless about all the changes, will be prompted to look into the differences and start questioning the legitimacy of the whole thing.
It’s really sad what’s become of the temple ceremonies or “ordinances”. I’m not LDS, but am very familiar with both the history and current practice. The temple ordinances were originally very inspiring to participants, who went through the ordinances first for themselves, and then on behalf of departed family members and ancestors who they really cared about. Then somewhere along the line, the LDS leadership decided that people weren’t spending enough time in the temples, and that this needed to be rectified since the temple ordinances are a key distinguishing feature of the religion. The result has been the compiling of massive lists of “names” from genealogical records (often little more than names, with often inaccurate or very sketchy genealogical information), and Church members constantly filing through the temple mechanically repeating ordinances for complete strangers, in a truly preposterous attempt to ensure that ordinances have been done for everybody who’s ever been born.
In recent years, the push keep temple activity high, especially for teenagers, who start out by doing baptisms, has resulted in the “recycling” of names, so that that dead people who have already been baptized by proxy in the temple once or twice are baptized yet again. And the reality of the baptism scene has become a group of teens or college students bused to the temple as part of a ward (congregation) activity, and literally hopping in and out of the baptismal font over and over again as “names”, including recycled ones, flash briefly on an adjacent computer screen to be read off rapid fire by the priest officiating over the baptisms. Honestly, Joseph Smith must be spinning in his grave, or on Kolob, or wherever he is. This is absolutely NOT what he had in mind.
So people actually watch this drivel? Well, they watch American Idol in droves, so why not?
I’m lucky to have electriCITY; let alone CABLE!
WHAT!!??
Did God change something ELSE when I wasn't looking???
I NEVER get them dang MEMOS!
--MormonDude(At this rate I won't know WHAT to believe!)
It isn’t drivel. But you have to watch to know that.
Why is it not “Drivel”? What real benefit does it provide?
Haven’t Mormons been targeted as being responsible for the defeat of the gay marriage amendment in California?
I can’t imagine that anyone with the title of “producer” will be portraying them in a positive light from here on in.
There are online sites on which it can be seen, but I haven't looked into that.
Gee, I cannot figure out how anyone could survive having two wives. I have enough trouble with but one.
Personally, I don’t see any reason why God wouldn’t periodically update things, as human knowledge and understanding increases. However, a number of LDS Curch memebers have taken the specifics of the “original temple ordinances” (which Joseph Smith claimed to have “restored” and claimed were necessary to secure a place in heaven) VERY literally and seriously, and when they learned of changes, decided the whole Church must be a fraud, and left. Huge overreaction, IMO, but one with which current LDS Church leaders are quite familiar.
Add to that you either have to marry sisters or have two mother-in-laws.
Let me get this straight: LDS introduce polygamy into our culture and practice it for a century. Then they do the hand-off to their spiritual stepkids -- the fLDS -- who continue to practice it for another 70+ years.
All along the LDS and fLDS attempt to spiritualize this practice by surrounding it with a spiritual ritual. So, when the media merely imitates (non-reality) what the LDS have been doing for 170 years (reality), the reality polygamists have a cow over non-reality. (Oh, that makes a lot of sense)
I am a former mormon, and can tell you there were many a night I would find my wife crying in secret in utter despair over this psychological abuse.
Brigham Young taught that Jesus was a polygamist and Mary was not a virgin. LDS/FLDS are equally kooky cults.
Apostle Orson Hyde: “I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, page 210)
Brigham Young, answering critics who claimed polygamy as a relic of barbarism: “ Yes, one of the relics of Adam, of Enoch, of Noah, of Abraham, of Isaac, of Jacob, of Moses, David, Solomon, the Prophets, OF JESUS, AND HIS APOSTLES.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, page 328)
Brigham Young: “The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not now who they were, unless HIS WIVES AND CHILDREN;...” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 309)
Brigham Young once stated: "Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p.51).
"These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" Bruce R. McConkie (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp.546-47).
In the light of their understanding that God is a procreating personage of flesh and bone, latter-day prophets have made it clear that despite what it says in Matthew 1:20, the Holy Ghost was not the father of Jesus.... The Savior was fathered by a personage of flesh and bone, and was literally what Nephi said he was, "Son of the Eternal Father" (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn, 1967, pp.100-101).
President Brigham Young had this to say concerning the birth of Christ: "The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband" (Deseret News, October 10, 1866).
Just a word or two now, on the subject of blood atonement ... man may commit certain grievous sins —according to his light and knowledge—that will place him beyond the reach of the atoning blood of Christ. If then he would be saved he must make sacrifice of his own life to atone—so far as in his power lies—for that sin, for the blood of Christ alone under certain circumstances will not avail.... Joseph Smith taught that there were certain sins so grievous that man may commit, that they will place the transgressor beyond the power of the atonement of Christ. If these offenses are committed, then the blood of Christ will not cleanse them from their sins even though they repent. Therefore their only hope is to have their own blood shed to atone, as far as possible, in their behalf.... And men for certain crimes have had to atone as far as they could for their sins wherein they have placed themselves beyond the redeeming power of the blood of Christ (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.133-36).
"If any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats." - From red hot blood atonement sermon by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. II., page 311. At the conclusion of the injunction to "cut their throats, " "all the people said 'amen!' "
Just because we didn't know every stage of the plan from the beginning doesn't mean it wasn't the original plan by our Lord.
I don't consider Christ correcting a mistake. Us weak and sinful humans normally need thousands of years of lessons before we are ready to accept the next level of instruction.
No, it implies that God is well aware that human culture is gradually advancing in knowledge and understanding, and that people’s spiritual needs may be best served by practices which make sense to them in the context of the times they’re living in. The “mistake” is on the part of people who imagined that the specific words, gestures, costumes, etc were the actual substance of the spiritual practice, rather than just a framework for the substance.
If you look back to the early 1900s, many very well-educated adults were heavily involved in secret societies that had very complex rituals, complete with costumes, and titles for positions in the organization that now sound completely preposterous to us. Many of these organizations have died out completely, some are struggling on with an ever-shrinking number of ever-older members, and some have updated themselves and continued to thrive without the costumes and titles.
Many of these societies, complete with wacky outfits and detailed rituals in which members were addressed by their outlandish titles, were quite spiritually uplifting to participants at the time, but their modern socioeconomic counterparts can’t read the manuals or look at pictures of the costumes without bursting out in a fit of giggles. But nonetheless, the underlying substance of the groups, and their effects on the lives and communities of their active members, were quite serious and meaningful.
LIAR!!
Bigoted LIAR!!
ALL of you HATEFUL Gentiles KNOW that GOD's Eternal Ordinance only lasted 47 years!!
--MormonDude(Officially; that is...)
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