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To: Mad Dawg

I think the “includes and transcends” framework is the best for your question.

Empirical science includes gross matter and transcends it (providing models and predictions). Reason/Logic includes empirical science and transcends (adding to) it. Philosophy includes and transcends reason/logic. Religion includes and transcends philosophy.

Philosophy would discuss the epistemology of absolute truths, religion would seek to know them by means transcending reason.

So the key, and the hard part is to avoid category errors and leave to Athens what is Athen’s and to Jerusalem what is Jerusalem’s.


105 posted on 02/18/2009 12:55:03 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; Mr. Lucky
Philosophy would discuss the epistemology of absolute truths, religion would seek to know them by means transcending reason.

Can we make it "infusing, transcending, and perfecting reason."

It is remarkable to me that Mahayana Buddhists, some of whom may have had some interaction with Christians, make nirvana (extinction, as in 'the flame was estinguished') and prajna (wisdom) subordinate to compassion. And in general a lot of people all over the world talk about Love as supreme. (Not just John Coltrane!)

But it seems almost intuitively clear to me that that has no living and effective meaning in my life and not a whole lot of clarity in my thought without the Holy Spirit working over time in this recalcitrant soul t inform (infuse), to elevate (transcend) and to enlighten (perfect).

I'll be away until 0300 ZULU, but will look eagerly for your response and that of Mr. Lucky.

106 posted on 02/18/2009 1:05:43 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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