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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50; annalex
FK: “It was my understanding that the Consensus Patrum, with the consent of the laity, was infallible.”

You’ve got it wrong, FK. The “consent” of the laity involves the dogmatic declarations of Ecumenical Councils. The Consensus Patrum is just what it says, the consensus of The Fathers on a given subject. It has nothing to do with the “Great Axios” of the people.

Thank you for the correction, but it does not address my point since Ecumenical Councils are Councils of men. I will change it to: "It was my understanding that the Ecumenical Councils of men, with the consent of the laity, were infallible. THAT, by definition, would make them more authoritative than the Bible as you describe above."

The issue remains that the Bible is lessened and men are raised above it.

41 posted on 02/17/2009 4:07:43 AM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; annalex

“”It was my understanding that the Ecumenical Councils of men, with the consent of the laity, were infallible. THAT, by definition, would make them more authoritative than the Bible as you describe above.””

That’s fair.

“The issue remains that the Bible is lessened and men are raised above it.”

The bible is what it is. The fact that Ecumenical Councils are believed to be infallible really is neither here nor there with regard to the bible. As for men being “raised above it”, well FK, men wrote it, notwithstanding what Leo XIII said.


42 posted on 02/17/2009 4:17:06 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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