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To: Kolokotronis
Well, K, this is one of those areas where I think the Orthodox and Latins have agreed to disagree.

It was interesting that in the recommendations of the "North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation " that you linked me to, they recommended that: "the Catholic Church, as a consequence of the normative and irrevocable dogmatic value of the Creed of 381, use the original Greek text alone in making translations of that Creed for catechetical and liturgical use." because the new catechism states that the "filioque" which was later added to the creed, is also dogmatic (of course that would in no way deny the dogmatic truth of the original).

As of yet outside of this recommendation I haven't heard anything official.

If those in authority in the West (with no disrespect to the Orthodox) determine that the original Greek creed should be used then so be it, I will remain obedient to Church authorities.

Having said that, I fraternally hope that my Orthodox brothers will not take offense if I post or refer to an almost eight hundred year old catechism that (regardless of any official decrees that may come regarding the creed) was written by a very respected and affectionately loved Saint.

5 posted on 02/09/2009 8:30:34 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

“If those in authority in the West (with no disrespect to the Orthodox) determine that the original Greek creed should be used then so be it, I will remain obedient to Church authorities.”

My understanding is that at the Vatican the filioque is no longer used if one of our hierarchs is lurking about on the altar and never if the Creed is said in Greek.

The issue has been discussed on the sidelines of the dialogs of late. Apparently the consensus is that the agreed statement be adopted but frankly its a side issue now. The main event is the proper exercise of the Petrine Office. Once that is solved, an ecumenical council will likely have little trouble dealing with the filioque and the various other dogmas proclaimed sua sponte by the Latin Church since the Great Schism. At one level its a shame that the agreed statement has not been officially adopted since the very existence of the filioque is often cited as an example of Roman contempt for the dogmas of the 7 Ecumenical Councils. As you can imagine, that’s not helpful.

“Having said that, I fraternally hope that my Orthodox brothers will not take offense if I post or refer to an almost eight hundred year old catechism that (regardless of any official decrees that may come regarding the creed) was written by a very respected and affectionately loved Saint.”

Don’t worry about it! We in the East have the same respect for +Thomas Aquinas’ works as he himself did at the end of his life! :)


6 posted on 02/09/2009 8:47:33 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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